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WalterDigsTunes 
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Joined: September 11 2007 Location: SanDiegoTijuana Status: Offline Points: 4373 |
 Posted: June 15 2009 at 12:17 |
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An anonymous squad of post-89 mavens is not conducive to anything resembling real music. It is but a deceitful sham foisted upon the fine folks of this community.
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Logan
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Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 35795 |
Posted: June 15 2009 at 12:11 |
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^ Do you think that they're trying to fool people into thinking that they're making genuine music when it's really something other than music that they're making. In regards to this, what' the difference between real music and fake music, anyway? I'm a bit confused. What they've created fits my definition of music.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Joined: September 11 2007 Location: SanDiegoTijuana Status: Offline Points: 4373 |
Posted: June 15 2009 at 12:04 |
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It's not meant to be funny, just as jokers like the decemberists aren't meant to be considered real music. |
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MovingPictures07
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Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Beasty Heart Status: Offline Points: 32181 |
Posted: June 15 2009 at 12:01 |
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The latest and the Crane Wife.  |
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infandous
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Joined: March 23 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2447 |
Posted: June 15 2009 at 11:58 |
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Well, 10 pages.
I was mildly interested in this band after seeing them appear here and looking at a few reviews. But after this lengthy and rambling thread, I'm REALLY interested to see what all the fuss (pro and con) is about. So the latest is a good place to start then? |
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Negoba
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Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5208 |
Posted: June 15 2009 at 09:53 |
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Here's a good criteria for whether they should be here or not. Do the fans of this site benefit from being introduced here? I hadn't listened to them before seeing the accolades here. I checked them out and I like them quite a bit. I agree that they're not Gentle Giant. But it seems like they are a band that appeals to prog fans, regardless of what definitions of prog you apply. Since I see that as the primary function of the site (helping prog fans find new music that they'll enjoy) given the almost overwhelming appreciation of the band, I say they belong here.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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horsewithteeth11
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Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Kentucky Status: Offline Points: 24598 |
Posted: June 15 2009 at 09:36 |
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It's funny the first time, but unless you change up your game plan or create new ways to troll us, it's not funny anymore. 0/10 Edited by birdwithteeth11 - June 15 2009 at 09:37 |
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kenethlevine
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Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 8951 |
Posted: June 15 2009 at 08:35 |
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Drat! I had been thinking about, in my coming reviews of "Castaways and Cutouts", drawing the Al Stewart comparison, but not so much for the music as for their common fascination with historical events of a personal nature.
I like the Decemberists' last 3 albums (have not heard the Tain) , especially the blend of styles from lite pop to brooding prog. As someone mentioned, JT wasn't always prog folk, and Strawbs had as much or more pure folk or folk rock as prog even on their most progressive albums. I think it's great that prog is cool again, even if only for a select few bands
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Mr ProgFreak
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Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: June 15 2009 at 08:34 |
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Maybe that friend of yours lacked experience. I've already said this a couple of times on other occasions ... I think that this kind of innovation he's looking for is not the ultimate achievement for a musician. Sometimes it happens, sometimes not ... but it can't happen always. Music has certain rules, which are not simply dogmas ... some frequency intervals are harmonic, some are dissonant, it's not open for debate or re-definition. Musicians are bound to use these intervals that others used before ... they can try to use totally unusual intervals, but that will make the music more dissonant which is not always the intention. This is very difficult to explain, but I hope that most musicians will know what I mean. In the end I like an album if I find it interesting, well done and compatible with my "mind set". If it also happens to sound innovative to me - that certainly adds to the experience, but it's not a must for me. Not in prog, and not elsewhere. Edited by Mr ProgFreak - June 15 2009 at 09:41 |
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HolyMoly
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Retired Admin Joined: April 01 2009 Location: Atlanta Status: Offline Points: 26138 |
Posted: June 15 2009 at 08:17 |
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I fell in love with the new Decemberists album the moment I heard it, and it's in the running for Album of the Year for me. I've recommended it to several people, and all (except one) have loved it. One such person first saw them on Jay Leno (? I think) and was turned off by their "dorkiness", but I encouraged him to give the album a try, and based on the musical work alone, he has changed his mind. The one person who didn't like them has just heard a single song, but his criticism had to do with how derivative they are - he had heard much of the same thing on old Renaissance LPs and the like...
I think that the tremendous hype this album is receiving is both a positive boon, yet it might result in its undoing. If you're expecting something really new and original, you're not going to find it in this album, good as it is. My friend who didn't like them almost resented the fact that this band is getting such accolades, yet is not doing anything that hasn't been done before. It's not truly "progressive" in the sense of offering really complex or original musical ideas, but that's not really the point. To me, the triumph of this album is its ability to maintain an extended song-suite with a breadth of musical flavors, and never have it get boring.
That's the main thing I like - all the songs are good and stand on their own, but the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. I still haven't even figured out what the concept is about, and I don't really care (it might even spoil it for me, as it seems a bit corny at first glance). I just think this is the first Decemberists album (and one of the few contemporary albums in the "mainstream" world) that really has top notch melodies yet carries its "rock opera" banner well. The Crane Wife, for example, sounded good to me at first, but after the 3rd or 4th listen I felt that underneath all the icing, the cake itself was kinda stale. Edited by HolyMoly - June 15 2009 at 08:18 |
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npjnpj
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Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
Posted: June 15 2009 at 07:17 |
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Well, whaddyaknow? I've been listening to their albums a while now, focussing on 'The Crane Wife' and all the while I was wonderng why it seemed so very familiar, and finally it clicked:
To me it sounds a LOT like Al Stewart's 'Year of the Cat'. It's just such a long time ago I heard that album. The singing and instrumentation sound almost identical, just the compositions are different, although the atmosphere is so similar, it's almost disturbing.
Anyone else hear that? Edited by npjnpj - June 15 2009 at 07:20 |
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Snow Dog
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: June 15 2009 at 06:34 |
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He has actually helped the band I think, by raising awareness of them. I listened t the samples due to this thread and liked what I heard.
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Snow Dog
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: June 15 2009 at 06:19 |
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Doesn't work for me.
Let me have a go, maybe not same clip..... Edited by Snow Dog - June 15 2009 at 06:26 |
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Epignosis
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32524 |
Posted: June 15 2009 at 06:14 |
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No, I distinctly remember a Flying V in his office (you're right about the other guitar at home though). He had it at work to piss off Cuddy.  You'll like this Harry:He also had one when he was choosing a new staff: EDIT: Ah...it's on Youtube. Edited by Epignosis - June 15 2009 at 06:32 |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 15 2009 at 05:58 |
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^^ I actually missed the first few episodes of season 4.......
Edited by Snow Dog - June 15 2009 at 09:39 |
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Mr ProgFreak
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Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: June 15 2009 at 05:57 |
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You can see the guitar here:
http://tviv.org/House,_M.D./Alone He plays other guitars too, in other episodes ... but this guitar has a special relevance to the storyline. |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: June 15 2009 at 05:50 |
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^I don't really watch House much
, I just remember one distinct episode where I am completely sure that is was an LP.
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npjnpj
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Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
Posted: June 15 2009 at 05:49 |
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I've worked my way through the thread and apart from saying that I quite like The Decemberists, I'd take my hat off to ~Rael~ if I had one.
His original post had the effect of opening a door to a room full of people, throwing in a hand grenade and sitting back to watch the fun. Very amusing.
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Snow Dog
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: June 15 2009 at 05:47 |
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He pulls out a guitar a lot.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: June 15 2009 at 05:41 |
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I'm sure in that episode it was a Les Paul. If you're thinking of the episode where towards the end of it he pulls out a guitar, yeah, that was an LP. |
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birdwithteeth11 wrote: