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Petrovsk Mizinski 
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 Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:35 |
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I never took music seriously at all, until maybe 2003, and even then it wasn't obsessive like it is now. 2005 was when it became very much part of me.
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June
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:32 |
Weird... I always thought I was the oddball in my family for exactly that, taking music so seriously, yet I ate at my parents' place last weekend and they had this argument over how loud my dad plays music when she's out of the house (shaking window loud) and about him being 65 with bad knees and rocking out to it.
I thought it was so great.
Not sure how much anyone can rock out to stuff like Dutch Swing College Band and Papa B'ues Viking Band, but anyway, at least I finally know I take after someone.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:31 |
 June wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
June wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
June wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
June wrote:
Back from my joyful quest to be a domestic goddess...
If you could only see how sparkly clean that toilet and that tub are now! 
As for Zappa... well, he's, obviously, an acquired tastes, and as far as a know, not particularly melodic, so I can see how not everybody would like him.
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Music has to be melodic to be enjoyable?
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It has to be for a lot of people. |
That's one reason why I particularly hated pop music, because it made easily brain washed idiots think that if music wasn't melodic and didn't have melodic catchy hooks it must suck.
Some of the deepest and most genuine emotion can come from the most un melodic, atonal music, but people just don't give it a try because of what they were made to believe
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I think Quella Vecchia Locanda is quite melodic, but would you call them pop? |
I'm not necessarily saying very melodic music automatically equals pop, I was saying that the way pop music is marketed, it makes people believe the only good music is melodic and music with melodic catchy hooks.
Hell, right now I'm listening to Swedish melodic death metal, which centers heavily around melody, but this is still hardly pop music.
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Mmm... flashback to my clubbing years (errr... let's be honest, clubbing weeks). To some extent, club music (whatever the heck it is) is marketed for brainwashed idiots, yet , it's usually everything but melodic. The less melodic the music, the higher the clubbers are usually. What does it mean?  |
Not very melodic? I always hear lots of melodies in that kind of music (not all of it, but in quite a fair bit of it), but of course, the core of it is around the 'catchy' rhythms I guess. Well, having never used any drugs much beyond marijuana myself, I can't say I've been as high as a clubber 
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:29 |
There will always be people who don't take it as seriously. I'm not aiming for a mass effect here, just elucidating that environmental changes would affect some of the population and an overall consensus.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:26 |
MovingPictures07 wrote:
June wrote:
Define better conditions |
Conditions under which people are constantly not exposed and expected to use music on the lowest level of enjoyment possible.
i.e. Increasing appreciation and mental activity in music rather than treating music nearly always as "something in the background" or something that requires no active thought.
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I see what you mean, but not everyone takes music that seriously, you have to accept that.
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June
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:26 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
June wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
June wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
June wrote:
Back from my joyful quest to be a domestic goddess...
If you could only see how sparkly clean that toilet and that tub are now!
As for Zappa... well, he's, obviously, an acquired tastes, and as far as a know, not particularly melodic, so I can see how not everybody would like him.
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Music has to be melodic to be enjoyable?
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It has to be for a lot of people. |
That's one reason why I particularly hated pop music, because it made easily brain washed idiots think that if music wasn't melodic and didn't have melodic catchy hooks it must suck.
Some of the deepest and most genuine emotion can come from the most un melodic, atonal music, but people just don't give it a try because of what they were made to believe
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I think Quella Vecchia Locanda is quite melodic, but would you call them pop? |
I'm not necessarily saying very melodic music automatically equals pop, I was saying that the way pop music is marketed, it makes people believe the only good music is melodic and music with melodic catchy hooks.
Hell, right now I'm listening to Swedish melodic death metal, which centers heavily around melody, but this is still hardly pop music.
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Mmm... flashback to my clubbing years (errr... let's be honest, clubbing weeks). To some extent, club music (whatever the heck it is) is marketed for brainwashed idiots, yet , it's usually everything but melodic. The less melodic the music, the higher the clubbers are usually. What does it mean?
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:24 |
June wrote:
Define better conditions |
Conditions under which people are constantly not exposed and expected to use music on the lowest level of enjoyment possible. i.e. Increasing appreciation and mental activity in music rather than treating music nearly always as "something in the background" or something that requires no active thought.
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June
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:20 |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:19 |
June wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
June wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
June wrote:
Back from my joyful quest to be a domestic goddess...
If you could only see how sparkly clean that toilet and that tub are now!
As for Zappa... well, he's, obviously, an acquired tastes, and as far as a know, not particularly melodic, so I can see how not everybody would like him.
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Music has to be melodic to be enjoyable?
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It has to be for a lot of people. |
That's one reason why I particularly hated pop music, because it made easily brain washed idiots think that if music wasn't melodic and didn't have melodic catchy hooks it must suck.
Some of the deepest and most genuine emotion can come from the most un melodic, atonal music, but people just don't give it a try because of what they were made to believe
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I think Quella Vecchia Locanda is quite melodic, but would you call them pop? |
I'm not necessarily saying very melodic music automatically equals pop, I was saying that the way pop music is marketed, it makes people believe the only good music is melodic and music with melodic catchy hooks. Hell, right now I'm listening to Swedish melodic death metal, which centers heavily around melody, but this is still hardly pop music.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:18 |
June wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Societal conditioning. That's all it is.
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Oh absolutely, I agree with you there, but still, not sure how you can change what? a thousand years maybe? of Western musical history just by stating that Zappa is amazing. It's been so long like that, it's beyond societal now, it's genetical... |
I never said I wanted to change it on a grand scale. It may be pretty far ingrained, but I'd still never say it's genetic. It's environmentally conditional. With that being said, I still think not a whole heck of alot of people would enjoy the album I'm listening to right now, even with better conditions.
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June
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:17 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
June wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
June wrote:
Back from my joyful quest to be a domestic goddess...
If you could only see how sparkly clean that toilet and that tub are now!
As for Zappa... well, he's, obviously, an acquired tastes, and as far as a know, not particularly melodic, so I can see how not everybody would like him.
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Music has to be melodic to be enjoyable?
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It has to be for a lot of people. |
That's one reason why I particularly hated pop music, because it made easily brain washed idiots think that if music wasn't melodic and didn't have melodic catchy hooks it must suck.
Some of the deepest and most genuine emotion can come from the most un melodic, atonal music, but people just don't give it a try because of what they were made to believe
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I think Quella Vecchia Locanda is quite melodic, but would you call them pop?
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MovingPictures07
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Joined: January 09 2008
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:17 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
June wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
June wrote:
Back from my joyful quest to be a domestic goddess...
If you could only see how sparkly clean that toilet and that tub are now!
As for Zappa... well, he's, obviously, an acquired tastes, and as far as a know, not particularly melodic, so I can see how not everybody would like him.
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Music has to be melodic to be enjoyable?
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It has to be for a lot of people. |
That's one reason why I particularly hated pop music, because it made easily brain washed idiots think that if music wasn't melodic and didn't have melodic catchy hooks it must suck.
Some of the deepest and most genuine emotion can come from the most un melodic, atonal music, but people just don't give it a try because of what they were made to believe
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June
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:16 |
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Societal conditioning. That's all it is.
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Oh absolutely, I agree with you there, but still, not sure how you can change what? a thousand years maybe? of Western musical history just by stating that Zappa is amazing. It's been so long like that, it's beyond societal now, it's genetical...
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Joined: December 24 2007
Location: Ukraine
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Points: 25210
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:15 |
June wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
June wrote:
Back from my joyful quest to be a domestic goddess...
If you could only see how sparkly clean that toilet and that tub are now!
As for Zappa... well, he's, obviously, an acquired tastes, and as far as a know, not particularly melodic, so I can see how not everybody would like him.
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Music has to be melodic to be enjoyable?
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It has to be for a lot of people. |
That's one reason why I particularly hated pop music, because it made easily brain washed idiots think that if music wasn't melodic and didn't have melodic catchy hooks it must suck. Some of the deepest and most genuine emotion can come from the most un melodic, atonal music, but people just don't give it a try because of what they were made to believe
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:12 |
June wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
June wrote:
Back from my joyful quest to be a domestic goddess...
If you could only see how sparkly clean that toilet and that tub are now!
As for Zappa... well, he's, obviously, an acquired tastes, and as far as a know, not particularly melodic, so I can see how not everybody would like him.
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Music has to be melodic to be enjoyable?
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It has to be for a lot of people. |
Societal conditioning. That's all it is.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: December 24 2007
Location: Ukraine
Status: Offline
Points: 25210
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:12 |
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June
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Joined: November 03 2008
Location: Montreal
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:10 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
June wrote:
Back from my joyful quest to be a domestic goddess...
If you could only see how sparkly clean that toilet and that tub are now!
As for Zappa... well, he's, obviously, an acquired tastes, and as far as a know, not particularly melodic, so I can see how not everybody would like him.
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Music has to be melodic to be enjoyable?
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It has to be for a lot of people.
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MovingPictures07
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 09 2008
Location: Beasty Heart
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Points: 32181
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:09 |
June wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
June wrote:
Back from my joyful quest to be a domestic goddess...
If you could only see how sparkly clean that toilet and that tub are now!
As for Zappa... well, he's, obviously, an acquired tastes, and as far as a know, not particularly melodic, so I can see how not everybody would like him.
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I have to clean my own bathroom and room, so I know what you mean there. That stuff isn't easy.
Zappa is amazing. THEREFORE EVERYONE MUST LIKE HIM LOL
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See? This math just doesn add up for me.
Everyone likes U2 (or Bon Jovi) therefore U2 is amazing? |
I was being satiric of some people in general.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: December 24 2007
Location: Ukraine
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Points: 25210
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:09 |
June wrote:
Back from my joyful quest to be a domestic goddess...
If you could only see how sparkly clean that toilet and that tub are now!
As for Zappa... well, he's, obviously, an acquired tastes, and as far as a know, not particularly melodic, so I can see how not everybody would like him.
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Music has to be melodic to be enjoyable?
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June
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 03 2008
Location: Montreal
Status: Offline
Points: 6521
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Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:07 |
MovingPictures07 wrote:
June wrote:
Back from my joyful quest to be a domestic goddess...
If you could only see how sparkly clean that toilet and that tub are now!
As for Zappa... well, he's, obviously, an acquired tastes, and as far as a know, not particularly melodic, so I can see how not everybody would like him.
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I have to clean my own bathroom and room, so I know what you mean there. That stuff isn't easy.
Zappa is amazing. THEREFORE EVERYONE MUST LIKE HIM LOL
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See? This math just doesn add up for me.
Everyone likes U2 (or Bon Jovi) therefore U2 is amazing?
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