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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2007 at 11:04
If you want to inform casual readers and newbies then I think the chart could be replaced with a Top 100 most popular Prog Artists chart. - i.e. take the existing chart and only allow one album from each artist (or compose the chart based upon the average of all albums for each artist).
 
This would at least curtail the childish CTTE vs SEBTP vs WYWH vs TAAB I-am-more-proggier-than-thou debates.
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I am willing to bet that only a very select few here have heard every single album in that top 100, I have only heard about 80-85 myself.
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Points: 4079 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2007 at 10:57
Originally posted by yargh yargh wrote:

Originally posted by Zappa88 Zappa88 wrote:

Well I wouldn't say that getting rid of it all together is such a good choice either. People that don't know much about prog, or don't know what to buy next can easily look and say "Oh, so that is what these knowledgable people think is one of the best albums? I thnik I'll trust them". It just very convienant for the casual listener.
 
There aren't many "casual listeners" on this site (and the other major prog sites).  These places are for the hardcore fans. 
 
Regardless of the casual listener opinion, I have personally found out about many bands I never would have heard of otherwise. This is directly a result of the Top 100.
 
 
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Points: 421 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2007 at 10:52
Originally posted by Zappa88 Zappa88 wrote:

Well I wouldn't say that getting rid of it all together is such a good choice either. People that don't know much about prog, or don't know what to buy next can easily look and say "Oh, so that is what these knowledgable people think is one of the best albums? I thnik I'll trust them". It just very convienant for the casual listener.
 
Sites like these aren't visited by many "casual listeners."  Let's face it, this place (and the other major prog sites) are as hard-core prog-geek as it gets.
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Points: 7606 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2007 at 10:44
These look like favourable conditions for pushing a PdP album into the top 100! After all, if Psychotic Waltz can get in... ;P
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Points: 8191 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2007 at 10:43
If people defended their albums by writing reviews instead of complaining, the list would be rock solid by now! I just don't get itWacko
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Points: 2492 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2007 at 10:41
It's a little weird to see PT in almost the top ten, but at least Lamb Liee Down dropped, though not even half as far as i hopedEvil%20Smile
 
I liked the old list better, but with time, this'll probably stabilize.
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Originally posted by Zappa88 Zappa88 wrote:

Thanks for the back-up Rich, it's like a war zone in here!Tongue
 
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Believe me, I know its easy to get lost in the emotion. Thankfully many members continue to present unbiased views. Being an admin is surely no picnic at times.
 
 
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There are far more of us than there are colabs and reviewers, so the more we review and rate an album, the less weight their opinion carries in the final score. Also, they will be concentrating on writing reviews for their specialist subject - they don't vote on every album by every artist.
 
You too can have a higher weighting in the overal score if you write a reasonable length review to go with your rating.
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Thanks for the back-up Rich, it's like a war zone in here!Tongue
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Points: 8191 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2007 at 10:21
Originally posted by yargh yargh wrote:

"Yes, can't see how it can have any credibility as a proper guide to prog when one of the seminal and establishing influences in the genre is barely represented in the Top 100."
 
But that's not what it is.  The "top 100" is nothing more than the highest-rated prog albums on the site.  The administrators already radically (and baselessly) manipulated the group consensus by attaching more weight to their own opinions.
 
 
"Love ELP or loathe them, it's a bit like doing a guide to classical music and leaving out Beethoven or Mozart."
 
No it isn't, it's like leaving your dog's feces off the plates at a dinner party.  An ELP album doesn't belong in any prog top 500, much less top 100.
 
I believe you mean the opinions of the collaborators and reviewers. Sure, they are weighted a little higher but that is only because they have shown over the years that they can be counted on to accurately review a diverse amount of music, or at least be knowledgable about almost every subject. The admins aren't just taking their opinions and collaborating to start a list, this is all done mathematically based on what information everybody has contributed to the site so far, not just admins or collabs or reviewers.


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Originally posted by yargh yargh wrote:

An ELP album doesn't belong in any prog top 500, much less top 100.
 
WHAT!?!?!  Are you nuts?  Angry 
 
Talk about baseless. Explain why.
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"Yes, can't see how it can have any credibility as a proper guide to prog when one of the seminal and establishing influences in the genre is barely represented in the Top 100."
 
But that's not what it is.  The "top 100" is nothing more than the highest-rated prog albums on the site.  The administrators already radically (and baselessly) manipulated the group consensus by attaching more weight to their own opinions.
 
 
"Love ELP or loathe them, it's a bit like doing a guide to classical music and leaving out Beethoven or Mozart."
 
No it isn't, it's like leaving your dog's feces off the plates at a dinner party.  An ELP album doesn't belong in any prog top 500, much less top 100.
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Points: 8191 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2007 at 10:14
Well I wouldn't say that getting rid of it all together is such a good choice either. People that don't know much about prog, or don't know what to buy next can easily look and say "Oh, so that is what these knowledgable people think is one of the best albums? I thnik I'll trust them". It just very convienant for the casual listener.
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Points: 421 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2007 at 10:12

The ridiculous importance some people attach to that stupid list is beyond pathetic.  Considering how many ratings have been affected by an intent to alter an album's overall score, I think the most reasonable thing to do with the "top 100"  is to get rid of it altogether.

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Guys and gals, I'd hate to sound annoying but I'm very irritated by the complaints about who is where on the chart. First off, it's not like M@X is picking his favorite albums, or picking obscure albums for the hell of it just to make people mad...YOU GUYS ALL HAVE THE POWER! This is OUR chart, everybody here on PA has a say in it and take for example Brain Salad Surgery. It's not in the top 100 but it's your favorite album? Then write a review for it to give it some more of a chance of getting back into the top rather than sitting down and complianing and trying to change the algorithm!

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Points: 376 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2007 at 09:55
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by oracus oracus wrote:

Sorry for that, but i think the old one was more accurate.

ÄNGLAGÅRD's Hybris on 17th position?

98. EMERSON LAKE & PALMER (ELP)
Brain Salad Surgery

That seems really strange. I'm not the biggest ELP fan in the world, but 98 position is definitely unfair..
 
Brain Salad Surgery not even top 100ConfusedOuch
 
Yes, can't see how it can have any credibility as a proper guide to prog when one of the seminal and establishing influences in the genre is barely represented in the Top 100.
Love ELP or loathe them, it's a bit like doing a guide to classical music and leaving out Beethoven or Mozart.
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2007 at 09:48
^ there are numerous examples, (including some 3.54/0 ratings) the one previously mentioned was Sean Trane's single review of this: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=10162 which he awarded 4 stars, but it gets a 3.55/1 rating
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Points: 4028 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2007 at 09:39
Originally posted by Mandrakeroot Mandrakeroot wrote:

M@X now you should concentrate yourself on the ratings of the individual album because how written in other thread there are weird cases (album with 1 rating and decimals [for example 3,45/1])


I may have fix this already ...

Wich album ?
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Points: 8191 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2007 at 09:39
Originally posted by Asphalt Asphalt wrote:

Well then, we should at least the full picture of it, if that is case. Otherwise, it appears to make no sense to the casual visitor
 
Nah that would pretty bad, it looks nice and clean when it is just "4.43" instead of "4.435780289862347856"...know what I mean?
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