Genesis just hit me

Very progressive, these Crystals...

Genesis P-Orridge 

Zenbadger wrote: The biggest Genesis myth is that they declined after Gabriel left. What they achieved with Collins at the helm is quite extraordinary. Still managing to produce 3 blinding prog albums to boot!

I assume you are including Seconds Out as one of the three?

There's a Genesis documentary on BBC2 TV tonight. I'll have to miss it unfortunately but I wonder if anything new will be revealed.

aliano wrote: Isn't it strange that I like many of the Gabriel and Hackett solo stuff but I can't get into Genesis in general except the Wind & Wuthering album?

I recently acquired a copy of what is probably the rarest Genesis vinyl item of all, the London pressing of the Winter's Tale 45. As many of you know, this was originally released on UK Decca, but it seems that a few promo copies were pressed on London for export to the US. Even stranger is this version was pretty much unknown until a lone copy was rediscovered some 40+ years later in 2009. It has apparently never been offered for sale.

Pic here, I can't get the embed feature to work:

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I'm a newbie and not sure how vinyl-centric this site is, but I thought it might be of interest.

Sometime in the early to mid 70s a show on PBS played a clip of some guy in a flower suit prancing around a stage to some very silly music. I thought it was funny but it sure wasn't life-changing.

^ was it the day you were released back into the community? I never made the connection between early Genesis and classical music because it's at best negligible. When anyone strips most of the blues and jazz ingredients out of Rock they invariably earn the epithet of 'classically influenced' which is plain silly really. Someone posted on the forum recently (Dean from memory) that the so-called Symphonic Prog bands simply made rock music sound orchestral by dint of texture, instrumentation and size/scope etc as none of them wrote any music that displayed the the sorts of formal academic rigour found in symphonic orchestrated composition. (perhaps ELP and the Enid were exceptions)

taken quite out of context as usual....Sigh...
Despite the fact that Genesis were exposed to the classical music when at their public school - I reckon that they (as teenagers) were far more interested in the disallowed - pop music they were exposed to in the mid sixties - and that would have been The Beatles and the Rolling Stones....Animals (all main-stream pop in the mid sixties) - Fortunately for us all - They chose to strike out in a singularly new way (1970-75) - producing some of the best Symphonic Prog that has ever been recorded - it was carried forwards a bit after Gabriel left (1976-77) and then Hackett did one and Collins got his way with Banks/Rutherford very much on his side and produced a pop-oriented album...followed by more and more commercially viable output.....
The fact is that they still could have produced the calibre of Selling England again - but never chose to...in fact once a bit minted - they could have produced whatever they chose....and still they churned out garbage...A Geezer I worked with in East Anglia Bumped into Rutherford on a shoot somewhere in Norfolk who told him that he preferred the later stuff and was somewhat embarrassed by their earlier output...That disappoints me but does not surprise me...

^ Assuming you were stone cold sober when you typed same, what possible mitigating factors can you cite that would assuage the spurious bollocks that appears to have informed your appraisal of the subsequent development of Prog from say, 1979 onwards? Tony Banks father clearly did not monopolise the propogation of 'merchant bankers'