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AtomicCrimsonRush 
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 Topic: When Were You NOT Corrupted by PA?
Posted: October 25 2012 at 00:21 |
NIce place to visit but you would not want to live here.
Best thing about PA is discovering more prog and then discussing it.
Then you leave and get on with your life.
Pretty simple really.
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CPicard
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Posted: October 24 2012 at 16:08 |
 Dean wrote:
[Don't drag me into this web of iniquities. Whatever fantasies exist in your head are best left there. |
So, it means that I can't write Foe-Hay Fanfictions about PA members? Too bad, I had terrible/terrific ideas for some shippings.
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presdoug
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Posted: October 23 2012 at 18:59 |
sagichim wrote:
I don't what you read or who posted it. There is no boycoting on germany in any way especially not on music,on the contrary germany is highly regarded, it's important for you to realize that. And on a personal level may I just add, my brother has a PHD in music (which means classical music) he has been living in the USA for the past 20 years now, I'm sure he's nuts about Wagner and the rest of the gang.
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There is a long tradition of devotion to Wagner, and Bruckner, linked with Jewish musicians and conductors, going back to Wagner and Bruckner's own lifetime, even though some think of those composers in the same breath as the Nazis. Some even believe that Wagner himself was part Jewish. I have heard it said that Germany was actually the best place for Jews in Europe before the horrors of Nazism appeared. There were a lot of German Jews in German society, including the arts like music.
Edited by presdoug - October 23 2012 at 19:01
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Dean
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Posted: October 23 2012 at 17:05 |
CPicard wrote:
moshkito wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Fixed.
Moshkito, you're drunk, go home.
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Damn ... you been smoking them bombers! Cheeck is not gonna like you!
Funny thing ... I don't drink ... harshest drink I have? English Breakfast Tea and some crumpets!
Told you the PA couldn't corrupt me!
Check that ... Dean probably could and we would have a great laugh over it! |
We all know that "English Breakfast Tea" is an euphemism for the stuff tourists usually bring back from Amsterdam's coffees. Except it's produced in some suburbs of Manchester.
Oh, and about tour special relationship with Dean: go get a room, you two. There are youngsters who shouldn't be exposed to your male reenactement of "Fifty Shades of Grey".
Tsss, tsss.
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Don't drag me into this web of iniquities. Whatever fantasies exist in your head are best left there.
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What?
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CPicard
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Posted: October 23 2012 at 16:30 |
moshkito wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Fixed.
Moshkito, you're drunk, go home.
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Damn ... you been smoking them bombers! Cheeck is not gonna like you! Funny thing ... I don't drink ... harshest drink I have? English Breakfast Tea and some crumpets! Told you the PA couldn't corrupt me! Check that ... Dean probably could and we would have a great laugh over it! |
We all know that "English Breakfast Tea" is an euphemism for the stuff tourists usually bring back from Amsterdam's coffees. Except it's produced in some suburbs of Manchester. Oh, and about tour special relationship with Dean: go get a room, you two. There are youngsters who shouldn't be exposed to your male reenactement of "Fifty Shades of Grey". Tsss, tsss.
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Sagichim
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Posted: October 23 2012 at 16:28 |
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I don't what you read or who posted it. There is no boycoting on germany in any way especially not on music,on the contrary germany is highly regarded, it's important for you to realize that. And on a personal level may I just add, my brother has a PHD in music (which means classical music) he has been living in the USA for the past 20 years now, I'm sure he's nuts about Wagner and the rest of the gang.
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NotAProghead
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Posted: October 23 2012 at 16:10 |
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^ Sorry, guys, I had old news. No jokes at all (call me dumb or whatever). I've searched through the web now (though I had to do it before posting) - you're right, the ban was unofficial, but no smoke without fire, the problem had place.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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Sagichim
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Posted: October 23 2012 at 15:36 |
NotAProghead wrote:
presdoug wrote:
At least it isn't like Nazi Germany, where some music could not be played, like Jewish composers or modern music composers that the Nazis deemed "decadent"-it was against the law to even own a Mahler record-....
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Or like in Israel now, where Wagner's music could not be played. |
Either you were joking or this is the dumbest post I ever seen here.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: October 23 2012 at 15:28 |
NotAProghead wrote:
presdoug wrote:
At least it isn't like Nazi Germany, where some music could not be played, like Jewish composers or modern music composers that the Nazis deemed "decadent"-it was against the law to even own a Mahler record-....
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Or like in Israel now, where Wagner's music could not be played. |
Wagner can be played in Israel and bought. I have bought bWagner Cds there myself.
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NotAProghead
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Posted: October 23 2012 at 15:19 |
presdoug wrote:
At least it isn't like Nazi Germany, where some music could not be played, like Jewish composers or modern music composers that the Nazis deemed "decadent"-it was against the law to even own a Mahler record-....
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Or like in Israel now, where Wagner's music could not be played.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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presdoug
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Posted: October 23 2012 at 14:14 |
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I have said that i haven't been corrupted by PA, and why i haven't, but i am all too human, and would not say that being corrupted by something is completely not a possibility. I could be somehow in the future, who am i to say for absolute certain?
Isn't it great with music, though, that we can do our own thing, and listen to just what we want.
But i am speaking as an appreciator only, i am not a musician, or part of the music business and relying on that business for my bread and butter.
At least it isn't like Nazi Germany, where some music could not be played, like Jewish composers or modern music composers that the Nazis deemed "decadent"-it was against the law to even own a Mahler record-what a bunch of nonsense that was, and gladly for future generations, the Nazis were defeated.
Edited by presdoug - October 23 2012 at 14:18
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moshkito
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Posted: October 23 2012 at 13:54 |
Man With Hat wrote:
I've always been corrupted by all the forces of evil. |
Evil/Good ... Lightness/Darkness ... are the same thing. And too many times we corrupt ourselves with ideas ... and ignore the reality! And there have been times, when the forces of good were evil, btw! Or vice versa, I'm sure! This reminds me of that thread about "dark" music ... and the folks in there could not even define "dark", and some of the music was plasticene, cardboard and halloween costume stuff ... to think of most of that stuff as "evil", probably meant that you were the greatest Harry Potter fan! But I doubt that these folks have the stomach to listen to An Electrical Storm in Hell, anyway!
Edited by moshkito - October 23 2012 at 13:58
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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moshkito
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Posted: October 23 2012 at 13:27 |
presdoug wrote:
i guess, myself, i never joined PA to add any new music artists to my collection, more to impart my existing knowledge and feeling i have already in prog and classical music, and possibly interest others in what really "does it" for me already. Though some new things have been added to my collection, it is usually only additions to existing groups or groups with existing musicians i already like and am familiar with.... |
All in all, the majority of CD's I am getting these days, are all replacing the LP's ... too many of them and the weight is prohibitive for me ... as I do not have a house that I own and living in apartments is ... never mind! I do listen to a lot of new things, and make a point of cruising the internet prog websites, which for my tastes and experience, are specially boring and too repetitive or top ten oriented, as I like to say. But it's easy to say that they have to appease the gods of the populace, instead of anything else --- and radio's history is about the fame, fortune and the top ten ... and when radio was not top ten, the only one that ever fit the mold was FM radio in America, but that only lasted 5 years, until they became bigger than the AM counter parts and were bringing in more money! There are many things I have heard I would like to get ... but the priorities right now are the replacement for the things I really want to have.
presdoug wrote:
... In the same breath, it is interesting to hear of other people's music allegiances, tastes, and opinions, positive or negative. Even though i don't add new artists to my own music collection much, i enjoy reading about other music in the posts and discographies and reviews here.
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Same. I used the word "corrupted" for fun, and of course, some people think the fun can only be had on their account, not others! Ohhh welll ... I do add new artists all the time, but at this time not so many with a CD as the replacements I need. After all ... I do consider myself ... PROGRESSIVE ... and that means that I am ALSO a progressive listener. You got to remember that I say all this because it is an extension of who I am ... not because I like some fruity piece of music! I really think that it is important to not be stuck in a time and place in the arts ... it takes away the ability to define what "art" is!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
www.pedrosena.com
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Man With Hat
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Posted: October 23 2012 at 12:58 |
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I've always been corrupted by all the forces of evil.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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presdoug
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Posted: October 22 2012 at 17:32 |
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i guess, myself, i never joined PA to add any new music artists to my collection, more to impart my existing knowledge and feeling i have already in prog and classical music, and possibly interest others in what really "does it" for me already. Though some new things have been added to my collection, it is usually only additions to existing groups or groups with existing musicians i already like and am familiar with.
In the same breath, it is interesting to hear of other people's music allegiances, tastes, and opinions, positive or negative. Even though i don't add new artists to my own music collection much, i enjoy reading about other music in the posts and discographies and reviews here.
And i really could never see myself being corrupted by PA-much of what you can do here is voluntary, and there is a lot of freedom to express your ideas and feelings. It's not like Big Brother is constantly watching over you!
Edited by presdoug - October 22 2012 at 17:39
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moshkito
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Posted: October 22 2012 at 16:58 |
CPicard wrote:
Fixed.
Moshkito, you're drunk, go home.
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Damn ... you been smoking them bombers! Cheeck is not gonna like you! Funny thing ... I don't drink ... harshest drink I have? English Breakfast Tea and some crumpets! Told you the PA couldn't corrupt me! Check that ... Dean probably could and we would have a great laugh over it!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
www.pedrosena.com
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moshkito
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Posted: October 22 2012 at 16:52 |
JJLehto wrote:
This is not to be funny or anything:
Moshy I sincerely have no idea what you're talking about
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So weird ... that some folks don't have enough humor to say ... me, corrupted by PA? ... I corrupted 15 lines of code yesterday! The idea was ... if PA has been as good to you, as the rest of life out there in your "progressive" ideal and quest ... and for me, PA is an extension of 20 years of listening to music ... so, for me PA did not "add", or "change" a lot of what I knew and already had ... still have 2k LP's and over 2k CD's, and 10/15% of them are strange, odd, experimental stuff that this group has not even talked about, yet! It's like saying that I can not create music without PA ... time out ... you better or you are not a musician or an artist. See the point? How independent/dependent are you on PA?
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
www.pedrosena.com
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NotAProghead
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Posted: October 22 2012 at 16:32 |
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^ Do you think he posted this from the bar?
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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CPicard
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Posted: October 22 2012 at 15:37 |
moshkito wrote:
Hi, There are a lot of things to like as time goes by, I have come to appreciate a lot of the things the same way, but there is room for us to not agree with Dean, even when you forget it! All in all. this place has not been the greatest for information from me, since there is information links between the times and the information to hap people understand nowadays ... most bands. Websites, anyway ... but are these sites better than NO? ... NO! I've always thought that the wonderful interview of Florian Fricke by Archie Patterson has no relation with this 3rd dimention, something that I would love to see to get better and more comprehensive. While I can appreciate teh "populist" ideas and concepts (no one remembers that "people" created society, Dr. Pepper and Pizza or Unix and Fortran... in general, it is the same... thing with another... idea at work ... massive... database is the... "front end"... the problem ... how to... do a... manicure or a... pedicure on a... massive... dragon, that has... outgrown........themselves? While there is a need to separate those folks in charge of each information ... and I have offered to become a part of that group ... and have never been asked... or even inquired about it ... which kinda suggests that there is a handfull of folks and you are not a part of their circle ... end of story. An Encyclopedia ... is a group of folks working together. For the greater good. Their differences are not the tissue. In the end, its content is the idea of the content. All in all, PA is a nice frustration... how much people "demand" just meat and potatoes on their plate, and the artist be damned if he/she ever does not want to be very sour and off kilter ... !!! So are you just "using" this place for ... you know... stuff and things, and, er... you see what I mean ... or how is the place for you, if you don't mind my asking? They can't corrupt me ... I have lived ... and will continue to live forever and ever and ever ... and socialist and populist and fascist and communist and ecologist and republican and monarchist and anarchist and royalist and federalist ideas are not my style, having come from a fascist country and government ... and dad was a rather well known writer of "freedom" many things (while mom was in making sandwiches in the kitchen) from poetry to film reviews to theatre to novels to one-line jokes to birthday postcards, in the 50's in the days when Fellini, Antonioni, Ford, Kazan, and any moviemaker I can remember right now, just to sound intellectual and know-it-all, were "controversial" in those countries (that I can't name, because I'm Fez from that 70's show) and a symbol of the things that we could not have - like 90% of the world population, but I feel more important! For me, the "progressive" definition came from that living an idea based on, like, something, since at 61, I know darn well that I might like this today and tomorrow not care, or vice versa and reciprocically, and not to forget the contrary and totally forget what I was talking about 2 minutes ago...
But PA has been here in me for... How many years, now? Oh, 2012, already? ... with nice thighs ... some treats ... some snails ... some ... you got to be kinky me ... but all in all ... fairly goofy with a nice passing gas!
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Fixed. Moshkito, you're drunk, go home.
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JJLehto
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Posted: October 21 2012 at 18:05 |
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This is not to be funny or anything:
Moshy I sincerely have no idea what you're talking about
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