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aglasshouse 
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 Topic: Reasons why Phish are a true prog bandPosted: July 04 2015 at 01:56 |
It can be doodl-y at times. Rift has some fancy work that's pretty impressive if you're looking for more complex stuff.
Edited by aglasshouse - June 03 2016 at 00:56 |
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dr wu23
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Posted: July 03 2015 at 14:48 |
 Can't say I ever cared for Phish.....always thought they were a bit boring musically. And was never really impressed with Anastasio's guitar plating.
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SteveG
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Posted: July 03 2015 at 14:15 |
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Phish is definitely prog! He fronted Marillion back in the eighties and has maintained a prog...what? Not that same Fish? Ah, never mind then.
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Catcher10
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Posted: July 03 2015 at 10:38 |
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My wife's cousin was a GIGANTIC Phish fan....even named his black lab Fee. He and his girlfriend would travel everywhere to see Phish. He was one of those guys that recorded all the shows he went to with a DAT machine and mini mics stuffed in his cap.
Never did he call them prog or proggy, he simply called them a jam band very much like the Dead....He said they were the Dead of the 2000's. That's how I always saw Phish......Long jams always harken to prog rock long jams. Now I can stretch my thinking and agree they could have influence from the Softs, KC, Zappa and the like. If we are simply talking a label  then I would probably go with prog, that being said then so is the Grateful Dead.My wife's cousin loved their music and that was enough for him......Me personally I would not label them prog in my collection......Fusion Rock or Rock Fusion, something like that in my collection.
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darkshade
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Posted: July 03 2015 at 00:23 |
Phish phans know and love prog almost as much as anyone here. If you check out any of the band's forums, like Phish.net/forum there are discussions about Canterbury, Zappa, Dream Theater, Yes, King Crimson, Soft Machine, Gentle Giant, jazz fusion, and modern prog too. It's the other way around. Prog fans, or just anyone unfamiliar with their music, will hear 'jam band' and think Grateful Dead/southern blues/noodling guitar music, when actually Phish's music is sophisticated, of its time and ahead of its time, at the same time. |
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AreYouHuman
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Posted: July 02 2015 at 23:58 |
Yes, definitely not a Grateful Dead knockoff and much more inventive than the “jam band” tag would lead some to believe. Right now I’m listening to the “Live in Brooklyn” version of The Divided Sky which wanders heavily into prog territory.I’ve
long felt that many hardcore Phish Heads could be easily turned onto, say,
early Caravan albums like Grey and Pink, Girl Who Grow Plump, Waterloo Lily,
etc., or early Camel or maybe Soft Machine or other classic 70s prog albums if
they had the opportunity.
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Caption: We tend to take ourselves a little too seriously.
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Intruder
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Posted: May 29 2015 at 03:53 |
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Phish in the PA pantheon and still no Grateful Dead, more's the pity. The Dead were so much more inventive.....so much more PROGRESSIVE.
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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aglasshouse
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Posted: April 08 2015 at 08:40 |
That's what I thought at first but it turned out they were extremely different.
Edited by aglasshouse - April 08 2015 at 08:40 |
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'PiphanyRambler
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Posted: April 03 2015 at 03:22 |
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I think Punch You in the Eye as well as Weekapaug Groove deserve a mention too. The latter often goes places during live executions, like the one in January this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5U2K_iN_lU |
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darkshade
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Posted: April 02 2015 at 19:15 |
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Don't forget live-only songs that are some of their proggiest songs.
Harry Hood Colonel Forbin's Ascent Fly Famous Mockingbird Harpua The Lizards McGrupp and the Watchful Hosemasters |
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 31 2015 at 16:35 |
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Alright then
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The Sloth
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Posted: March 31 2015 at 16:29 |
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My interest in this thread (and any other Phish related conversation on this site) is a lot of people think of them as a Grateful Dead knockoff and, since they don't like that band, they skip Phish. There's a lot of interesting ideas in their music that prog fans would like. Just spreading the word.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 31 2015 at 15:39 |
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Prog is not a badge of honour. It's not even a guarantee for good music nor great imagination. Some of the most progressive artists out there are not prog.
Take Sun Ra, Sunn O))) and Ennio Morricone - all of which have been submitted for inclusion on this very site at one point or another. None of them are prog, but they were just as boundary pushing and experimental as any artist listed on PA you care to throw at them. Would any of them, including Phish, be better/better off/more important/cooler/insert something - if they were included in a prog proper sub?
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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The Sloth
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Posted: March 31 2015 at 15:28 |
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I'm not going to bump this thread to hell, but I also wanted to recommend "It's Ice" to people. It's too proggy for folks to miss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaxcCaYe6rE
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The Sloth
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 18:47 |
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Check this out guys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1saKDqEQmBE Phish do organic eclecticism like no one else. Jon Fishman is the man.
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Padraic
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 11:03 |
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Guys, Phish is in the archives, so there's no real need to debate their prog-worthiness or lack thereof.
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nichobert
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Posted: March 30 2015 at 10:58 |
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I guess I'm just interested in how prog a band has to be in ordered to be considered progressive... lol
They've probably got 40-50 songs that feature segments that are undeniably progressive rock in nature. Then maybe 100 others that are just plain weird. I also don't really quite get why improv would disqualify them in some way. A lot of really well regarded classic progressive bands featured improvisation in varying degrees. Like Lawn Boy has Reba which i'd have to think is more consciously progressive than a majority of bands on this site... It has a jam section too, but it's governed by a series of vaguely sketched out changes that keeps it on an upward trajectory. Same with Run Like An Antelope where the jam is defined by "gears" as it goes from a staccato pulse to an otherworldly crescendo before dropping on a dime into some not-so-funky white reggae. Squirming Coil goes through a lot of complex changes that feel very natural in context. I've always thought the trickier parts of it were one of Phish's most underrated compositions. Nothing showy about it but it's constantly going through weird changes Split Open & Melt has a few strangely fitting sections in the beginning but is basically just an excuse to jam.. Only the jam is in a mix of three measures of 4/4 and one measure of 9/8 which gives it this wonderfully herky jerky quality. In general though, there's not much that connects Phish with the Dead outside of their fanbase. Phish has always had a passing interest in country, bluegrass and old timey rock & roll but they're a pretty small portion of their genre stew. It's just mystifying seeing a band who wrote some of the best "classic" progressive rock stuff of the 80s and 90s being lumped in with bands that pretty much just play hard rock with an occasional twist thrown in. Even a relatively latter day album from the period where they were wholeheartedly embracing Remain In Light and other groove based music - Story Of The Ghost- has Guyute & Limb By Limb which are probably more progressive than 95% of the music relegated to "Prog-Related" If a Pink Floyd or Yes put out an album tomorrow with songs featuring the more proggy parts of any of Phish's 50 most proggy songs everyone would be rejoicing about them returning to form. So it's just strange to me.
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'PiphanyRambler
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Posted: March 24 2015 at 13:38 |
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I love Phish, but to call them prog is misleading, I think. Junta is actually prog and a very good album, Lawn Boy has some very good compositions (like Reba), but a lot of jamming also. Rift is a nice concept album (nothing outstanding but with a couple of really strong tunes). The rest of their production is not what I'd recommend to a prog fan, but nonetheless A Pciture of Nectar is very good and Time Turns Elastic, from their Joy album, is one of their most ambitious pieces since the '90s.
However, it's not important whether Phish are prog or not. I'd recommend their Live Phish series, they're so good in the live setting (especially, check Vol. 2, 3, 4, 6, 15, 18 and 20). |
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: March 24 2015 at 09:55 |
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They're s.h.i.t.e and burn kittens live on stage
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Padraic
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Posted: March 24 2015 at 08:43 |
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Junta is definitely worth checking out. I was never too enamored of their other albums for some reason.
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