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Conor Fynes
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Topic: So We Really Can't Criticise Admin? Posted: May 09 2012 at 01:51 |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 09:16 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
inb4 CinemaZebra
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Inb4 Pnoom!
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Textbook
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 07:02 |
Well since when did I read things properly, right Dean?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 04:53 |
^Yes it was. In this very thread.
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Textbook
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 04:53 |
No one ever actually said "If you don't like it, leave". I was surprised too as I thoroughly expected it, but no one ever said that, not even in PM. It's true that that is a terrible attitude, but it was never said here, at least not that I noticed.
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: May 04 2012 at 02:38 |
Textbook wrote:
Saper: Uh thanks but we were kind of trying to "stop" the conflict. |
Good for you.
But I felt like responding to the stuff I read here anyway. Imo this is exactly what being an admin and censorship shouldn't be about. Obviously some can't handle all this "power". It's not like this is a unique incident. And the members with that if you don't like it, just leave-attitude are even worse.
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Textbook
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 23:55 |
I'll be fine. I am the master of unlocking.
Edited by Textbook - May 03 2012 at 23:55
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Alitare
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 22:31 |
You know, Textbook, it is dangerous to go alone.
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Textbook
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 20:42 |
Altaire: Get the wierd chocobo(check chocobo rumor section) Now ride the chocobo out of
midgar and ride it to rocket town. (Note that you cannot go on mountains because
the Weird Chocobo is afraid of heights.) Run around the rocket ten times and you
can enter it. Now you will be prompted: "Where to?" You can answer one:
"Disneyland" "West Side" "Party" Choosing Disneyland will take you to Gold
Saucer, where all the costumes will be Disney-oriented. West Side takes you to a
hidden area in midgar where Barret _really_ grew up. Party will take you to
Costa Del Sol, where Cid is having a kegger in the house with everyone else
(including the Turks.) BUT YOU WANT TO CHOOSE THE HIDDEN FOURTH OPTION. This
will bring up another question: "Are you sure?" Answer "Yes" and you will fly to
the moon. When you land you have ten seconds to run into the cheese weapon, who
is skipping by just as you land. If you touch him you can fight him. If not,
game over. Stats of the Cheese Weapon: ----- HP: 2,000,000,000 MP: 20,000
Attacks: Sharp Cheddar (a physical attack, causes around +8000 damage) Cheese
Sneeze (Causes +5000 damage to all plus poison and confu) Cheese Freeze (Ice
based, causes +7000 damage to one) Cheese Breeze (Wind based, causes +5000
damage to all) Cheese Degrees (Fire, causes +8000 damage to one) Vitamin Cheese
(Heals the Cheese Weapon for 9999 HP) Death by Cheese (Causes 9999 damage to
all, used when HP is down to 1,000,000. Can only be blocked by casting shield or
barrier beforehand) EXP: 1,000,000 AP: 1,000,000 (like you'd need all that,
anyway) Gil: 1,000,000 Win: Cheese Ring Steal: Cheese armlet (If you can equip
it during battle, which you really can't, it will absorb all damage taken from
the cheese weapon as HP) Morph: Cheese Source (raises stats of all characters to
255) Notes: ----- The Cheese Weapon will summon four Cheeseasaurus Rexes (yes,
the ones from the Kraft Cheese and Macaroni commercial.) They can attack you for
about 3000 HP each, and can steal items from you (they usually wind up stealing
everything you have, but you can steal them back. you win them back at the end
of the battle, anyway.) The easiest way to beat the Cheese Weapon (I tested this
and it ALWAYS works) is to summon Odin, which will turn him into cheese slices,
then summon Titan to turn him into a cheese sandwich. Then summon Typoon to turn
the sandwich over. Then summon the Knights of Round to put toppings on the
sandwich. They will put on: Ham, Turkey, Salami, Bologna, Mayonnaise, Mustard,
Pickles, Olives, Lettuce, Tomato, Peppers, and Onions. Then the big guy at then
end (i think it's king arthur) will cut the sandwich in half.
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Alitare
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 20:30 |
You can learn Omnislash before the final boss if you win it at the Golden Saucer.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 20:16 |
inb4 CinemaZebra
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Textbook
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 19:15 |
Saper: Uh thanks but we were kind of trying to "stop" the conflict.
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Alitare
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 18:35 |
I'm here to sing some songs for my momma.
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 18:17 |
Textbook wrote:
To the person sending me PMs: I'd rather not PM, but I have sent you in compromise. I believe a discussion about the quality of moderation should be had in public. I also believe you hugely misunderstand me. You paint me as some sort of forum destroying villain who has waged a campaign of hate on the mods and wants no moderation at all and that is simply not true. I simply thought that in this instance you got it wrong and I told you so. I didn't ask for anyone to quit, I don't think anyone needs to quit, I was just going "Hey, I think that's a bit trigger happy". You're free to reflect on whether that might be true or dismiss it. I'm not your boss, but I use the site, I give it traffic, I'm feeding back on how it's run. Maybe I don't deliver that feedback in the most ideal way possible but why should I be expected to, no one's an ideal person.As for your assault on my character, it's true that I come across as acerbic because I don't self-censor and water down my opinions to make sure they make everybody feel cosy. I call it honesty, you can call it being obnoxious or arrogant. I'm comfortable with that, it's not a "one must fall" situation. Yeah it's true that I don't go around pointing it out every time good moderation is done but I'm generally unaware of any modding that doesn't affect posts I'm involved in and besides, in politics/business, silence is often approval anyway. |
Hail Textbook! I can't see any reason why anyone would have a problem with anything you've written in this thread.
All members jumping on him here saying he's the one with problems, trying to shut him up 'n' stuff as well as the person sending those "hurt" pm's: What's wrong with you guys? I don't care if you work your ass off for free here. Its no excuse for behaving stupid. Isn't he allowed to have opinions? Everything here is presented in a polite manner and makes sense.
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Textbook
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 17:11 |
It's not my fault that there isn't a "Help Us Ruin The Site" folder. Seriously though, things seem to have been sorted out in PM and an understanding has been reached that I am above the law and not to be messed with by anyone, this means you Tony to let it go. I had a grumble, people heard my grumble, it's nice that I was allowed to grumble. I didn't mean to make people feel sh*tty, sorry if I did. I guess I'm someone stuff bounces off- Altaire had quite a go at me in this thread and I don't care- so I forget others can be sensitive. Tony killed the convo in GD but allowed it to take place here and this is the right place for it.
Edited by Textbook - May 03 2012 at 17:12
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Failcore
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 13:31 |
The admins here can be a bit sensitive and over-reaching imho. But oh well, it's their site, especially since m@x has been mia for so long. If it bugs you too much, go elsewhere.
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 12:24 |
Alitare wrote:
Textbook, you are not special enough for this. You are not the master of a coveted, secret knowledge which we mere intellectually-deprived peons are not, nor will ever be, privy to. You are not the sole possessor of a mythic power granting you certitude and indefatigable verisimilitude in all things.
I see you as this upstart, mock-revolutionary. "Maybe I'm onto something! Hey guys, we're being oppressed! These authority figures hide behind their power! They censor me because they know I'm right!" Prog-Archives isn't Tienanmen Square, nor is it the hill atop Golgotha. You can play-pretend at being a martyr with your tiny plastic cross, but nobody is impressed.
I don't take offense at your condemnation of PA's...ahem...'upper class'. I've been very close to being banned numerous times. I merely find it humorous that you seem to think yourself a mighty special case. What ideas have you truly conceived that nobody else could've possibly hit upon?
Not that I disagree. You're probably being targeted due to your reputation. I see insults being flung around this place all the time. I don't think the admins are afraid of being criticized. I think they simply don't like you because you seem like an obnoxious punk child. I could care less if you're 43 with two children and a harem of wives, you seem like an obnoxious punk child.
Now for the truly important question: How much wood could a wood-chuck chuck if a wood-chuck could chuck Raspberries!? |
Yeah....Textbook I have to ask, why did you think I was "part of the establishment" of PA? Ironic since I also have criticized them many times (usually about being too sensitive yet dishing it out themselves) and have gotten in trouble before. If it was the attitude I always took with you it had nothing to do with that, frankly I found your 100 posts a week about pseudo intellectual bull crap that wasn't very deep... annoying and you seemed amazingly arrogant to me. Gotta give it to Dusty, when you do what you do you will annoy people and bring attention to yourself. I assumed it was your goal but can't really complain about being singled out. What do you expect? I'm no admin and I always singled you out. Though I do agree I didn't think the particular post that got censored was that bad, and it was an over the top move...you KNOW you're doing this all on purpose
Edited by JJLehto - May 03 2012 at 12:31
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Tony R
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 11:05 |
BTW Matt, I closed your original thread. If you are going to whine, please whine in the appropriate part of the site.
Now carry on...
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The T
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 10:37 |
Horizons wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
If you're so upset, where were you when I was trying to organize my coup!?
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Head Admin Henry. |
Henry Site Emperor 2013
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 10:15 |
Everybody knows I had several encounters (some not very friendly) with some administrators, I must have more warnings than most of the members, but there are some issues to understand:
- The Administrators have to act as firemen, the have to enter in a thread, block it or warn somebody, because they have to prevent that the fire expands and causes more harm.
- I believe that in SOME cases they have to act without having all the facts, because the damage of inaction may be worst.
- Yes, sometimes they act by the reputation of the person...BUT HEY, WE CREATED THAT REPUTATION, for example, I'm stubborn and exhaustive in my posts (Never offended anybody), and some people feel attacked when they notice they are wrong, the next thing they do is notify the Administrators, AND THEY HAVE TO ACT BEFORE THE PROBLEM EXTENDS.
- The Administrators have to act with people of different nationalities and realities, what is an insult for a Peruvian, may not be considered offensive in USA or vice-versa
- This is not a democracy, transparency in the decisions is required for elected functionaries, but the Adms have been selected by the owners to put order, and the have to do it at any cost. When we join the site, we accept the rules
- I believe in some cases they haven't taken the best decision, but this guys have 10 or 20 complains in a day and they have to cut the risk first and investigate later,plus they are human and capable of making mistakes, as a fact two administrators with whom I had problems (Angelo and Dean) have sent me courteous PM's telling me they made a mistake or misunderstood a phrase I said, something that "aggressive" posters and people who offend others as a sport, never do.
Nobody likes to be warned or blocked, but when we feel offended,we are he first ones to press the report button and demand a punishment for the member we believe offended us.
I been in forums without moderators and all are chaotic, people insult as the want, members take sides dividing the forum and nobody does a thing to remedy the situation.
The moderator team is doing a great job, they will have errors as any of us, but lets be honest, in 99.99999% of the cases, we cause the problem and then want moderators to take sides with us.
So let them work and cause less problems.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 03 2012 at 10:18
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