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Posted: May 25 2014 at 21:42
Bands like Watchtower didn't come along and do REAL prog metal until the mid 1980s, so up until then, with Metallica writing 8 minute Thrash songs, that was the closest metal had to prog metal. ? haha. I don't really know I was born in 88
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Posted: May 25 2014 at 16:54
Guldbamsen wrote:
You should read the frontpage of the prog related sub, and that goes for a lot of other people who still have difficulty in understanding how this works
I have and it doesn't make any more sense than the first time I read it.......it surely must be my personal lack of reading comprehension.
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You should read the frontpage of the prog related sub, and that goes for a lot of other people who still have difficulty in understanding how this works
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Posted: May 25 2014 at 15:17
Snow Dog wrote:
earlyprog wrote:
Dean wrote:
Prog Related isn't Prog.
Careful now.
Overall / in average, Metallica is obviously not prog, but periodically / section-wise they are. Consequently, they are Prog-Related (deliberatately leaving out other criteria).
But still a band classified as Prog Related here.....are not considered prog. Which is Dean's point.
So....why are they , and other prog related bands, on Prog Rock Archives then if they aren't 'prog'...?
I have always found that to be a bit odd.
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Posted: May 25 2014 at 10:38
And Justice For All is a progressive metal album. More progressive than many of Dream Theater albums for example. And the three first albums are prog related. IMO.
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 12:38
I found quite a few proggy moments on Metallica's 2nd, 3rd and 4th albums. And on those albums, I challenge the OP to name one song that has 6 verses and 6 choruses. I certainly don't remember any and I'm fairly well-versed in those three albums. Oh, and just to let the OP know, PA and my collection are full of prog that has only 4-5 minute long songs. So I doubt only song length was taken into account when deciding on Metallica for related. Some of their rhythmic and harmonic structures are quite complex in parts. And, I'm sure they influenced a lot of the prog-metal that is out there today (one of the criteria for related I believe).
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 11:52
Metallica were a band that helped develop progressive metal a lot. Their first 4 albums are pivotal in the genre. They weren't prog in style but were real progressive artists in the genre.
I don't wanna start the old prog vs progressive debate but let me show you an example:
And Justice for all (progressive metal) vs SDOIT (prog metal)
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Posted: April 20 2012 at 06:44
Guldbamsen wrote:
Hhmm compared to a lot of things, I personally feel this is a pretty good stab at "prog":
I did actually say in my OP that the two Metallica songs that i thought did decently emulate the progressive rock song structure, were Orion and To Live is to Die, but glad you agree with me on something tho lol
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Posted: April 14 2012 at 12:50
earlyprog wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
earlyprog wrote:
Dean wrote:
Prog Related isn't Prog.
Careful now.
Overall / in average, Metallica is obviously not prog, but periodically / section-wise they are. Consequently, they are Prog-Related (deliberatately leaving out other criteria).
But still a band classified as Prog Related here.....are not considered prog. Which is Dean's point.
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I'm light. i wasn't trying to be ratty with you. And maybe I shouldn't speak for Dean. I may be wrong.
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Posted: April 14 2012 at 12:07
Snow Dog wrote:
earlyprog wrote:
Dean wrote:
Prog Related isn't Prog.
Careful now.
Overall / in average, Metallica is obviously not prog, but periodically / section-wise they are. Consequently, they are Prog-Related (deliberatately leaving out other criteria).
But still a band classified as Prog Related here.....are not considered prog. Which is Dean's point.
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Posted: April 14 2012 at 11:56
earlyprog wrote:
Dean wrote:
Prog Related isn't Prog.
Careful now.
Overall / in average, Metallica is obviously not prog, but periodically / section-wise they are. Consequently, they are Prog-Related (deliberatately leaving out other criteria).
But still a band classified as Prog Related here.....are not considered prog. Which is Dean's point.
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Posted: April 14 2012 at 11:52
Dean wrote:
Prog Related isn't Prog.
Careful now.
Overall / in average, Metallica is obviously not prog, but periodically / section-wise they are. Consequently, they are Prog-Related (deliberatately leaving out other criteria).
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