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    Posted: June 28 2011 at 22:40
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Quote I don't want to use a Cloud.  The new Chromebooks are silly but will sell well because people are silly.

I don't think they'll sell very well. Maybe if they were half as much, but they are supposed to appeal to internet people, and internet people don't want something that can't run native applications. The cloud might take off but I think it's going to be a while.
Quote Henry, stop ruining threads with your idiocy.

I didn't ruin anything. You're the only one who cared that I even posted at all. Sorry everything I do sends you into a blind rage (although of course you're going to say that you're not angry at all because you're cool and down to earth!).


I just don't see why people don't just use their Android 'phones for quick browsing.  I understand why Chromebooks and Chromiumbooks sound interesting and useful but they really are not.

So in a way I agree with you.  I still think they will sell more than you think they will though.  They may still end up a flop though and will go the way of the Mondex Card. LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 21:24
People cried their goodbyes to vinyl, yet it's steadily coming back.  People worry about the "next generation" but the world is no worse than it ever has been.  Books will never die.  Sure, maybe people will use online textbooks or get the occasional novel digitally, but it's misguided to say books will disappear because a newer "version" of them is invented.

As for television, I am not opposed to it eventually fading away.  Most of it's trash and the commercials are nauseating.  I'd rather directly pay for a series and have it un-tampered with by TV stations.  Of course, there's the issue of people bringing people together in conversation and such, so for that reason alone, I don't think it will totally disappear for a very long time.

As for the issue of privacy, I believe that's a valid concern.  That's why I'm libertarian. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 20:30
I've just come back from a jazz club and I can safely say that music is still alive and kicking. Musicians still have the passion, and always will, for their art. You've just gotta be active about it.

The music INDUSTRY is what's falling apart.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 18:14
Quote I don't want to use a Cloud.  The new Chromebooks are silly but will sell well because people are silly.

I don't think they'll sell very well. Maybe if they were half as much, but they are supposed to appeal to internet people, and internet people don't want something that can't run native applications. The cloud might take off but I think it's going to be a while.
Quote Henry, stop ruining threads with your idiocy.

I didn't ruin anything. You're the only one who cared that I even posted at all. Sorry everything I do sends you into a blind rage (although of course you're going to say that you're not angry at all because you're cool and down to earth!).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 16:01
Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

8. Four seasons. Well, for those of you who lives in a place which still have four seasons in a year (that exludes all of us in the British Isles). In the future, the rest of you will get two seasons...... In other words, just like in Scotland.



How do you know it's summer in Scotland?

(The rain's warmer)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 15:48
I have a friend who regularly watches porn. He put a piece of duct tape over web camera in his laptop just to be sure ...



Seriously, I don't have webcam driver installed, I don't do Skype voice chatting, I don't use Facebook on anything else than a game of Poker every few weeks. I'm avid book fan and I don't want them to disappear (even this is the course where it's heading).



You know, when less and less people stops reading, you can do one of two things:

1)raise prices of books => even less readers => raise prices of books => even less

2)lower prices of books => possibly more readers OR less profit



But you know what ? I never sent a letter. Not once in my life. I started listening music on magnetic tapes though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2011 at 17:54
Don't forget the oil.  It'll run out eventually.  Maybe not completely in our lifetime but we'll be crippled by it in our lifetime.

I pay my rent by cheque.  I prefer it that way.
I read paper books.  I don't like e-books that much.
I don't want to use a Cloud.  The new Chromebooks are silly but will sell well because people are silly.

Henry, stop ruining threads with your idiocy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2011 at 17:27
Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

The things that will disappear in the near future is:

1. Cheap food.  The prices now even for the supermarkets budget brands has risen with 100 - 200 % during the last year. I expect at least the same next year. 

2. Cheap fuel. Both for heating up house and for the car. >>> Gone al long time ago!

3. Car holidays, school runs and small errands with the car. Too expensive in the future. Bike or walking is the new car. >>> Unfortunately innate public transports will not fill the void

4. Cheap electicity. Forget that one too. Those times are over. >> quite a while ago as well!

5. Good living standard for the working & the middle class. No more, I am afraid. There will now be one overclass with a very good luxerious living standard..... and the rest of us.  >>> that's what i was getting at with my previous intervention... Only the really top class' actual living standards will survive (and probably increase)

6. Holidays in the sun for the working and the middle class. To expensive, I am afraid. Even a holiday in the nearest beach resort will be beyond the means of most of us. >>> well that might be a blessing for the planet's future... polluting by travelling across the planet for business in one thing... just for holidays and polluting the third world is unacceptable >> waste mangement is catastrophic in many non-occidental countries... Plastic deserts are plentiful.

 
7. "You have never had it so good" statements by politicians. Really ? Come over here and I will f***** give you a black eye. Then a f******* broken nose and I will also re-arrange all your f****** bones. You f******* liar !!!!!!!!!!!!LOLLOL

8. Four seasons. Well, for those of you who lives in a place which still have four seasons in a year (that exludes all of us in the British Isles). In the future, the rest of you will get two seasons...... In other words, just like in Scotland. >>> that's winter and fall, uh??? Tongue

9. Big entertainment things. Like PCs, TVs and so forth. The future will be handheld and small just so they can fit into our smaller houses. 

And now, ring the Samaritans and complain. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2011 at 16:42
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2011 at 16:25
The next trend once they've exhausted the possibilities of flat-panel tvs will be small big entertainment I bet - HD projector technology 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2011 at 16:21

The things that will disappear in the near future is:

1. Cheap food.  The prices now even for the supermarkets budget brands has risen with 100 - 200 % during the last year. I expect at least the same next year. 

2. Cheap fuel. Both for heating up house and for the car. 

3. Car holidays, school runs and small errands with the car. Too expensive in the future. Bike or walking is the new car.

4. Cheap electicity. Forget that one too. Those times are over.

5. Good living standard for the working & the middle class. No more, I am afraid. There will now be one overclass with a very good luxerious living standard..... and the rest of us.  

6. Holidays in the sun for the working and the middle class. To expensive, I am afraid. Even a holiday in the nearest beach resort will be beyond the means of most of us. 

7. "You have never had it so good" statements by politicians. Really ? Come over here and I will f***** give you a black eye. Then a f******* broken nose and I will also re-arrange all your f****** bones. You f******* liar !!!!!!!!!!!!

8. Four seasons. Well, for those of you who lives in a place which still have four seasons in a year (that exludes all of us in the British Isles). In the future, the rest of you will get two seasons...... In other words, just like in Scotland.

9. Big entertainment things. Like PCs, TVs and so forth. The future will be handheld and small just so they can fit into our smaller houses. 

And now, ring the Samaritans and complain. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2011 at 15:05
Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

7.  The idea that Huckleberry Finn can be great literature even though it refers to black people as N's


This is anachronistic.  Would you prefer Twain to have referred to them as "African-Americans?"

(what a stupid, clunky term)


And God, has he ever read ANY Mark Twain? Pudd'nhead Wilson, anyone?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2011 at 07:03
A view from the third world:

1.  It is practically dead even here. Not because of email but because efficient private courier has made it redundant.  If you do want to send a nice greeting card or a book or a CD as a present to somebody over long distance, you could very well use the courier service.  They'd at least take some ownership if the dispatch gets delayed or is sent back undelivered and help you out.

2. Not yet.  There is not enough trust of net banking yet.  I can see something like that happening over my lifetime (and that means roughly another 50 years more so it's a LONG time) but as of now, the check is still very much ubiquitous and not at all an endangered species.

3.  In India, newspapers have done very well over the last few years.  Nobody knows why but it makes everybody happy. 

4. Don't see it happening it.  And as with newspapers, new writers have somehow done well in India. Actually, writing is not nearly as dead as people like to think. Whether there is any GOOD writing is a matter of taste.  Yeah, I gather this is more about ebooks but even with regard to that, people still like to flip through the pages.  What's got hit badly is the encyclopedia.

5.  Maybe not for personal use but corporate landline telephony gets better and better technologically. In my previous org, we had completely mobile extensions that you could log on to on any handset in any office in India.  And at least in this country, that is supposed to be amazing infrastructure.

6. Music as an art form will have some sort of existence but the music business is in very real danger of becoming irrelevant and eventually ceasing to exist.  It would be a shame in a way because that you could afford to do things on a certain scale and expense in the music industry fuelled ambition and daring (which, sorry, is a good thing).  But, well, the industry has more or less dug its own grave so it is difficult at this point to see myself feeling much regret over it if and when it happens.

7. Again, nay!  I guess we are about 50 years behind socially?  TV is not going anywhere and it's a burgeoning industry.  Of course, all I watch these days are mainly sports events and a bit of news. TV SHOWS specifically are crap.    


8. You still can't have a virtual car or a virtual ranch, etc.  An interesting case study here is the wristwatch.  Since you can check your time on a cellphone or your computer, why do you need a wristwatch? And yet, even I who don't care for style or fashion bought a nice new one and paid money that would have got me maybe 8 music albums.  As long as people don't mess up branding horrendously, man will always crave for things to own.


9. In re the last point, you have a CHOICE not to update your status all the time, not to talk about what you recently bought, not to upload intimate photographs on your facebook profile.  And as a matter of fact, I generally don't. I use my status update to put up my latest articles for a cricket website for friends to read and generate interest in the website so my ed won't complain or to recommend music or make occasional comments on burning topics.  If people want to be sheep and do as everyone else does, that is also their choice but your privacy hasn't been taken away from you, you chose to give it away. We don't have so much surveillance here so I concede that point. But you absolutely have a choice not to share your life 24/7 on social networks and if you can't 'resist' it, hard luck but I haven't got much sympathy. 

Somewhat related to point 9, I don't use short forms on facebook and try to avoid it on mobile sms except where the message gets too long and cannot be sent as a single sms, if you know what I mean.  I don't depend on spelling or grammar check (so please excuse any mistakes in here Tongue)and I try to work out simple calculations on my own instead of using calculators or excel.  None of this may be out of sync on this forum, but most people of my age group in my country don't write full sentences these days and frequently confuse "lose" with "loose" (argh!). You have the choice not to let technology make you a dumbo but if you don't make that choice, you have yourself to blame for the consequences.   And I am not grandstanding here, there is seriously nothing hard about all this. People have to remain grounded and not let themselves get swept away by technology.  Instead, use it intelligently to make your life more comfortable.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2011 at 18:27
indeed indeed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2011 at 18:26
It was quite clear, but not even implicitly said? Wacko indeed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2011 at 18:23
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

The one thing that will not disappear is progress.
 
we probably don't have the same definition of what progress is... at least what I'd consider positive progress
 
AFAIC, it's already deadOuch
  
There is only one definition of progress - it just means to move forward (in time), so views of positive and negative progress are in the main subjective and dependant upon the destination of that forward movement being somewhere you want to be.
 
::snipp::
 
The Luddites weren't wrong, they just faced a product that worked all of the time - this time around the techno-luddites are up against a product that only works some of the time, so the result is a lot less certain.
yeah, whateverSleepySleepySleepy
 
You completely missed my point , but it doesn't matter.Smile ....
 
 
 
 
 
 
(I wasn't  talking of technological "progress", even that is probably one of the least-dark  aspect of the progress I was referring to, even if technologies generally widen the social gap between the affluent and the less fortunate) 
 
 
 
Then I didn't miss the point, you simply failed to make one in the few words you used.
 
 
But yeah, whatever Wacko
 
I thought it was quite clear I spoke of social progress  (despite not implicitly said, it was much more than subliminal) not of technological progress.... and right now we're in phase or social regress and the technological advances are used against the people's overall well-being... just for a few chosen's private interests or profits.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2011 at 15:15
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

The one thing that will not disappear is progress.
 
we probably don't have the same definition of what progress is... at least what I'd consider positive progress
 
AFAIC, it's already deadOuch
  
There is only one definition of progress - it just means to move forward (in time), so views of positive and negative progress are in the main subjective and dependant upon the destination of that forward movement being somewhere you want to be.
 
::snipp::
 
The Luddites weren't wrong, they just faced a product that worked all of the time - this time around the techno-luddites are up against a product that only works some of the time, so the result is a lot less certain.
yeah, whateverSleepySleepySleepy
 
You completely missed my point , but it doesn't matter.Smile ....
 
 
 
 
 
 
(I wasn't  talking of technological "progress", even that is probably one of the least-dark  aspect of the progress I was referring to, even if technologies generally widen the social gap between the affluent and the less fortunate) 
 
 
 
Then I didn't miss the point, you simply failed to make one in the few words you used.
 
 
But yeah, whatever Wacko
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2011 at 15:00
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

The one thing that will not disappear is progress.
 
we probably don't have the same definition of what progress is... at least what I'd consider positive progress
 
AFAIC, it's already deadOuch
  
There is only one definition of progress - it just means to move forward (in time), so views of positive and negative progress are in the main subjective and dependant upon the destination of that forward movement being somewhere you want to be. Progress in that sense is an inevitability - just as putting one foot in front of the other and shifting your body-weight to that leading foot will inexorably result in forward movement. Progress can never die, it can just result in a change you like, don't like or don't give a hoot about (then, indifference is as likely to permit progress as it is to halt it).
 
I have conjectured a number of times that invention is in decline, but invention does not fuel progress as much as innovation does: Apple did not invent any of the products they sell, they innovated previous inventions in their application, how we perceive them and how we use them. All the "progress" that may (or may not) result in these 9 things (plus a myriad of others not listed) disappearing is an inevitability of invention finding an application through innovation - as long as mankind exists to find those applications technical progress will continue unabated. So while I believe that invention is in decline, innovation is not - a missile is just a spear with an engine after all.
 
Cloud computing is where networks started back in the 1950s & 1960s, be that a central computer linked by dumb terminals, or a network of intelligent terminals sharing processing over a wide geographic area, the concept is as old as computing itself and the Internet grew from that, married to the pre-existing telecommunications networks and fed by innovation of relatively minor inventions. Progress in this case was/is a product of doing those things that made networks work in past better and faster in the present, allowing more bandwidth so the application of those inventions and innovations can be used by more people simultaneously - how we use that in the future is not necessarily something we can control or predict with any certainty, and neither can Microsoft, Apple, Amazon or Google.
 
The Luddites weren't wrong, they just faced a product that worked all of the time - this time around the techno-luddites are up against a product that only works some of the time, so the result is a lot less certain.
yeah, whateverSleepySleepySleepy
 
You completely missed my point , but it doesn't matter.Smile ....
 
 
 
 
 
 
(I wasn't  talking of technological "progress", even that is probably one of the least-dark  aspect of the progress I was referring to, even if technologies generally widen the social gap between the affluent and the less fortunate) 
 
 
 
let's just stay above the moral melee
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2011 at 05:15
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

The one thing that will not disappear is progress.
 
we probably don't have the same definition of what progress is... at least what I'd consider positive progress
 
AFAIC, it's already deadOuch
  
 
a missile is just a spear with an engine after all.
 


I'm gonna steal that. You work in the computing sphere (I think) so you clearly have a 'hands-on' view of such matters and the points you make all strike this computer illiterate as perfectly valid. However, is there not some hope that the murdering p.r.i.c.k. who fires the state of the art spear might actually progress to take up state of the art knitting instead?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2011 at 05:11
Just to say: this thing makes me think of a couple of articles from Cracked.

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