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    Posted: September 08 2005 at 15:39
ATTWT had some good moments, but a lot of it sounded like solo demos polished up to fill an album. Duke was a stronger effort overall, but that was the end of Genesis as a classic prog band - though I'm sure all the money they made in the 80s cushioned the blow for them! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2005 at 02:18
A suprisingly good effort, I like it alot
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2005 at 16:19

I think this album is always underrated, and aside from Eleventh Earl of Mar and Unquiet Slumbers, it's better than Wind and Wuthering. It's the last good Genesis album, and everything that followed is crap, Duke included.

Track by track:

1. Down And Out (5:24) AWESOME BALLS TO THE WALL ORGAN-DRIVEN PROG, WITH TRICKY TIME SIGNATURES
2. Undertow (4:45) - PLEASANT BALLAD IN GREAT GENESIS TRADITION
3. Ballad Of Big (4:48) - DUMB COWBOY SONG. DUMP IT.

4. Snowbound (4:28)  - PLEASANT BALLAD IN GREAT GENESIS TRADITION
5. Burning Rope (7:09) - GREAT MINI EPIC
6. Deep In The Motherlode (5:12) - OVERRATED - DON'T EVER NEED TO HEAR AGAIN
7. Many Too Many (3:30) - PLEASANT BUT TOO POP
8. Scenes From A Nights Dream (3:29) - FUN WITH GREAT GUITARS AND LYRICS
9. Say It's Alright Joe (4:19) - ONE OF THE THREE LOW POINTS
10. The Lady Lies (6:04) - AWESOME PROG MINI-EPIC THAT TELLS A GREAT TALE
11. Follow You, Follow Me (3:59) - UNDERRATED - HAS A GREAT VIBE - I THINK IF GABRIEL SANG IT, IT WOULD GET MORE RESPECT. I MEAN, HOW DOES THIS DIFFER FROM SOLSBURY HILL?

OUTTAKES - THE DAY THE LIGHTS WENT OUT SHOULD HAVE REPLACED ONE OF THE CRAP SONGS. Maybe replace Many Too Many with Vancouver

So here's my new and improved version: Down and Out/Undertow/Burning Rope/Snowbound/The Lady Lies/Day the Lights Went Out/Scenes from a Night's Dream/Vancouver/Follow You Follow Me

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2005 at 21:16
I liked the album a lot, probobly better than Wind and Wuthering, that one just didn't do it for me. I still think A trick of the Tail tops it, but very good.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2005 at 18:07
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2005 at 17:51
The end of an era of decent music for this mob....after that they sold way down the river for more lolly, and extra bad songs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2005 at 08:55

The end of the greatest prog band ever.

Still alive...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2005 at 03:05

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

So-so in my opinion,not too great,not too bad..."Follow You Follow Me" is terrible..."No Son Of Mine" and "Driving The Last Spike" great...The rest usual...

What album are you talking about?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2005 at 10:53
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

A major dissapointment when I bought it. Time hasn't really changed that for me. Some good songs, but they are all missing something. A bit of passion or Hackett "atmosphere" maybe. So I'm not keen on it!

I think whether you take to an album or not can depend when you hear it, and what is going on in your life at the time. Many people criticise this album, and all the arguments against it are perfectly valid. For me personally, I took to it immediately partly because it was the most 'prog' Genesis I had heard at the time - believe it or not - I had no idea who Steve Hackett was, and much of the lyrics struck a chord with me, especially Burning Rope & Undertow. It was winter 1985, and I was going through some sh!t at the time. This album was an enormous comfort to me.

Partly for this reason my appraisal of it may not be objective, but if it's aim was make someone happy, then it worked on me!

BTW, I thought later on, that Rutherford tried to emulate Hackett in places on this album, and I think his guitar playing generally is very good.

I bought it on release. I though that hacketts absense may make the band "stronger" as it did when Gabriel left IMO. I was so wrong. As you say it depends when and why you bought it. A friend of mine only bought it a couple of years ago and he likes it a lot!

I don't hate it though, I don't hate any Genesis album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2005 at 10:43

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

A major dissapointment when I bought it. Time hasn't really changed that for me. Some good songs, but they are all missing something. A bit of passion or Hackett "atmosphere" maybe. So I'm not keen on it!

I think whether you take to an album or not can depend when you hear it, and what is going on in your life at the time. Many people criticise this album, and all the arguments against it are perfectly valid. For me personally, I took to it immediately partly because it was the most 'prog' Genesis I had heard at the time - believe it or not - I had no idea who Steve Hackett was, and much of the lyrics struck a chord with me, especially Burning Rope & Undertow. It was winter 1985, and I was going through some sh!t at the time. This album was an enormous comfort to me.

Partly for this reason my appraisal of it may not be objective, but if it's aim was make someone happy, then it worked on me!

BTW, I thought later on, that Rutherford tried to emulate Hackett in places on this album, and I think his guitar playing generally is very good.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2005 at 09:51
So-so in my opinion,not too great,not too bad..."Follow You Follow Me" is terrible..."No Son Of Mine" and "Driving The Last Spike" great...The rest usual...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2005 at 09:49

I actually love this album, and think there's some very nice prog tunes in 'Burning Rope' and 'The Lady Lies', some lovely ballads in 'Snowbound', 'Many Too Many' and 'Undertow', plus an amazing solo on 'Follow You Follow Me'. This wasn't where the decline started for me- their 'decline' was with 'Duke' I feel, but I only see it as a decline in prog terms; their later stuff is mostly listenable and I enjoy songs like 'No Son Of Mine' and 'Driving The Last Spike'.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2005 at 19:31
A major dissapointment when I bought it. Time hasn't really changed that for me. Some good songs, but they are all missing something. A bit of passion or Hackett "atmosphere" maybe. So I'm not keen on it!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2005 at 19:17
It is an odd album. There are some great tracks "Lady Lies", "Burnign Rope", and "Snowbound" and "Down and Out." But there are songs I hate like "Say its alright Joe" and "Follow You, Follow Me." But the fact that The Lady Lies is on it makes it a good album. The bass work on the song is ridiculously complicated especially toward the end and in the choruses. It rivals "Heart of the Sunrise " and "Gates of Delerium" in technical skill for basswork at least.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2005 at 23:48
I think it's vastly underrated but to say I love it is a bit of a stretch ... I'm surprised though that so many Genesis fans like to see this as the end of Genesis ... certainly they were trying to make prog (with the exception of Follow You Follow Me) ... lots of very nice songs ... The Lady Lies, Burning Rope, Undertow, Scenes From A Night's Dream and Many Too Many off hand ... and many pleasing Tony Banks' moments ... sure Hackett is missed, but I still like it a lot .. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2005 at 17:51
I think its good, I love down and out. Personally i was almost dissapointed that it wasnt worse than that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2005 at 17:31
The beginning of the end of a once great band.Mediocrity at it's shameless best.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2005 at 10:01
Not as good as W&W; better than Duke...in all, 7/10
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2005 at 09:13
It's a good album, but it lacks the fire of the previous albums, unfortunately. Still good, but i prefer Duke!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2005 at 00:58
Yeah its got some really strong songs: Down & Out, Burning Rope, Deep in the Motherlode, and The Lady Lies. Everything else just seems pretty good to me, a bit better than so-so, but just a bit. All and all, I do break this one out from time to time, and I play every song and do enjoy it.


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