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    Posted: June 29 2005 at 23:16
Bartok and Stravinsky could easily be considered the forefathers of prog.
The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.

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Bartok is also a strong influence in Univers Zero's works.
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Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

What's a good album to start with?

Barṭk Piano Concertos - Peter Donohoe / Birmingham Symph Orch. / Simon Rattle

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the first time i saw "the shining" i thought it freaked me out. now i don't really like the movie so much, but i do watch it for the music. bartok was a genius.

favorite works:

romanian folk dances, the mysterious mandarin, all three piano concertos, and all solo violin pieces and violin sonatas.

 

he was definitely prog, just not prog rock.

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Points: 2779 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2005 at 09:42
Ex Police guitarist Andy Summers mentioned at some length that both he and Robert Fripp used to play Bartok pieces transcribed for the guitar as duets for fun and if you listen to Bartok, much of it would work very well on the guitar. Personally I would have LOVED to see Fripp & Summers play these live.

Much of the work on 'I Advanced Masked' the Fripp/Summers collaboration recorded back in the early 80's sounds very Bartok like. Interestingly enough, this album was the first to feature Fripp with his newly devised New Standard Tuning.
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Points: 521 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2005 at 03:41

There is no respect in the forum these days  Why was it moved? The plot was perfect...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2005 at 19:45
You could amend it to read "sordid".  
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Indeed...  I retract my last statement.
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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2005 at 19:44
Ouch, topic got moved anyway. 
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Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Blaaaah.  If we can include Krautrock and RIO and other things retroactively as prog...  meh.  

 

Be nice young man.

 


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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2005 at 19:23
Originally posted by nacho nacho wrote:

Can you edit the thread title to read "Is Bela Bartok prog?" That way it will stay!


There we go.
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Can you edit the thread title to read "Is Bela Bartok prog?" That way it will stay!
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Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Blaaaah.  If we can include Krautrock and RIO and other things retroactively as prog...  meh.  


To be fair... they ARE prog. Bartok is classical. Proggy classical, but classical nonetheless - got to draw the line somewhere!
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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2005 at 19:20
Blaaaah.  If we can include Krautrock and RIO and other things retroactively as prog...  meh.  
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Bartok is classical as is the name of this thread, MO.  The rest of it maybe prog but not the title.  I remember learning a few simple compositons by Bartok when I took piano lessons ages ago.  Very tricky and intricate without being bombastic if I remember.

 

 


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It shouldn't be moved to Non-Prog...  Bartok, Flying Food Circus, Samlas, and After Crying are all prog...  

Edit: Sampled a track from Bootleg Symphony...  the Great Deceiver part is BRILLIANT!  I MUST hear more of these guys.  WHY does online ordering TAKE SO LONG!? 


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Before this is moved to the non-prog section: agreed on Bartok!!! The Concert for Orchestra is one of my favourites pieces of music. And yes, you can find many recordings out there. There are some recomendations in the Gramophone Recommended Recordings service (http://www.gramophone.co.uk/recrecordings.asp), but not too many...

Also agreed on After Crying!!! If you already placed the order I'm sure you won't be disappointed. I'm particularly fond of their album Bootleg Symphony: it's basically classical music, but including for example a rendition of KC's The Great Deceiver (on orchestra)...

 
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Points: 5964 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2005 at 18:27
Listening to the samples right now... well, that's another demand on my overstretched wallet... *sighs* 

If there's one thing guarenteed to sell an album to me it's silly noises.
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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2005 at 18:16
There's samples here:

Burlesco

I can host a couple tracks from the album on my server if ya wanna hear 'em, just tell me which tracks!
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