Some artists that should be in prog related

nice thread

No point trying to cover your intentions now, darling (seems that is a favourite pastime of yours?)...unfortunately, the email alerts reproduce posts as they were written.   You simply responded as an irate Michael Jackson fan when nothing ill was said of his music, it was amusing to say the least.  In short, "WUT, he DISSETH the King of Pop, so here I come!"

boo boo wrote: Well lets see, Jackson was the king of pop, and ABBA are the kings/queens of kitschy vomit. I consider ABBA a joke.   None of the songs in Thriller really have padding, they're only around 4 minutes long and they have hooks left and right, yeah there's repetition, that isn't the same as padding, it's pop and funk music for crying out loud. It's better to take a great beat and repeat it than to haphazardly throw a lot of lame ideas together to create the illusion of being "sophisticated".    ABBA were always a bunch of hacks who jumped on whatever the trend was at the moment but always made music that is just so bland and generic I can't stand it. The Bee Gees were trendhoppers too but at least they were good at it and made some pretty great stuff. There is good disco music but I don't consider ABBA to be that.   No, that would be Earth Wind & Fire, Chic and late 70s MJ.

There was something amusing in your post originally about being nice, what happened to that?   An amusing response overall but one that unwittingly illuminates why music discussion gets so needlessly argumentative.  Because people simply don't want to differentiate opinions from facts and get p***ed off and derail threads.  If you had bothered at all to comprehend my post, you would have known I had not and still don't made/make comments on how good or bad the music of either ABBA or MJ is, because that has no place in a discussion pertaining to genre classification.  Apparently, this is too much for you to grasp!

Now...in Thriller, both the title track and You gotta be starting something run over four minutes because grooves are repeated to pad up the song, there is no further development in the composition to support it. This was in response to Ivan saying Thriller was more elaborate for a pop album; it is not necessarily so. It is indeed not necessarily a flaw (and nor did I say it was) because Jackson probably loved those grooves and didn't see why he couldn't keep them going for longer.  Evidently, he knew what he was doing because audiences loved it too.  Repeating grooves to death made sense because they were such catchy grooves that people couldn't get out of their heads.  Whereas ABBA do frequently opt for arrangements that are more sophisticated than is expected from pop. Whether that makes them good or bad is a separate discussion, monsieur.  Pray where their being bland or generic is relevant when their compositional sophistication is being discussed?  Or perhaps you are another of those who think all adjectives are the same and get offended alike by them.






Ivan:  And I said only two of their what eight albums can be properly called disco?  How are songs like Waterloo, So Long, aforesaid Knowing me or Head over heels supposed to be disco?  What you really mean is their stuff got played at discotheques, but that by itself doesn't make ABBA disco music.

rogerthat wrote: To claim all their songs is disco is nonsense

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 01 2010 at 01:38

Thriller has long songs with hell lot of padding. That is not nearly the same thing as ABBA, because Jackson's songs find a groove and repeat it to death.  ABBA's disco albums are Voulez Voulez and Super Trouper (even that only in part).  To claim all their songs is disco is nonsense, to be very honest.  And I repeat, I would not endorse a move to bring ABBA here nor foresee it, but I really would like to know how some baskets like prog related or prog metal are defined because I am not able to see this huge gulf in sophistication between, say, ABBA and Nightwish.   

Double post. Please delete. 

Edited by TheClosing - May 31 2010 at 23:17

Logan wrote: I'm noit sating that Funkadelic SHOULD be here, but I think it has real merit for Prog Related: Topic: Funkadelic for space rock/ heavy prog? Forum: Suggest New Bands and Artists They cite progressive rock as an influence, and they've influenced funky prog bands.

I'm not gonna sit here and argue that Abba is prog or even prog related, since most artistically ambitious bands in the 70s were inevitably influenced by prog, and we can't include them all.  But they were so much more than a disco group, even as they had a disco phase.  Their songs are sophisticated pop, quite intricate and with more tempo shifts than many of our crossover artists.    If you, like me, were around in the 70s and dismissed them because they were too "poppy" AND "vapid", give them another try now.  You might be surprised.  BTW, even at that time I loved Knowing me and Knowing You (wonderful simple plaintive lead guitar) and Chiquitita (poignant spanish ballad).  Agreed that Eagle is pretty much a prog song

Wel. lets se:

ko wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: KO, I decided nothing,   Collaborators only make suggestions in the site's structure and rules, pretty much as any member..   Cheers.   Iván   BTW: Did I heard ABBA Prog Related? I'm not crazy for ABBA, even not a casual fan,  but if some band get Prog influences (Sympho in Benny Andersson case, imo)  and then we call it Prog Related, that means, imo, a band could came from any genre, even from pop as ABBA, or from new wave, i mean, not only from classic and/or hard rock as usual; for example, London Calling  have some prog elements and that album was, for later bands, sometning like Sgt Pepers for that original, British Progressive Rock movement, wasn't?   Yes, I think that  Arrival, and The Album are Prog Related albums. BTW, I agree with you that Proto Prog would be 100% Prog category.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 01 2010 at 01:40