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Topic: Do You Believe in Ghosts? Posted: October 13 2009 at 19:28
Vompatti wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
^ I think the quote pyramid is high enough now.
I said there "has to be" something else besides consciousness giving us an identity because we are not conscious all the time, yet when we regain consciousness we feel we're still the same person. I guess memory could give us an identity, but I'm suspicious about this because I feel memory is something that we have, not something that we are. (A person who has lost his memory is still a person, and most people would even say that he's the same person he was before losing his memory.)
It's true that we never wake up with the same body, but in most cases the body we wake up with is fairly similar to the body we had the night before, so I think we can call it the same body. If someone switched more than half of it in a surgical operation, I would still call it the "same" body because it would be the body of the same person. (But if the brain was switched I'm not sure what would happen.)
It's like the Darth Vader question- how many body parts can be replaced by a machine before a person is just a robot?
Of course...I would go so far as to say that a human is nothing more than a high-end, ingeniously-engineered machine...
...and some more ingeniously-engineered than others.
So do some machines know they exist?
I think this comic (highly researched, published in Nature, and widely accepted as fact amongst the scientific community) sums up everything perfectly.
Anyway, I don't think ghosts in the sense that I know them exist. I'm far too scientific for such hocus pocus although I do believe in the Christian God. Strange and seemingly contradictory but it works if you don't think about it for more than a second.
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Posted: October 13 2009 at 18:35
The Bay City Rollers are a myth perpetuated by members of this very forum, a fictitious bogeyman designed to explot people's fear of crappy, fad type music and thus to shock and guilt them into supporting prog and other "serious" music. The numerous photos of these Bay City Rollers show obvious signs of being forgeries- such clothes and hairstyles have patently never been in fashion. They are the creation of fearmongering prog enthusiasts. As for the recordings, funnily enough it seems no one will admit to owning one- why is that I wonder? Because they never existed. Numerous details such as a hugely popular and fresh pop group coming from the land of bagpipes simply do not add up.
(This is not off topic, BCR are a lot scarier than ghosts.)
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Posted: October 13 2009 at 05:05
I am moved to start a "Do You Believe In The Bay City Rollers" thread. Personally I cannot countenance that something so monstrous actually took place.
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Posted: October 13 2009 at 04:09
Dean wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
el dingo wrote:
Alberto Muņoz wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
I've had some experiences which push me to vote 'yes'
Me too
That makes three of us
The problem with elaborating on such experiences on an open forum is whilst you cannot generally explain them & are not saying they prove the existence of the supernatural, you just know any elaboration will invite derisive denial from some quarters
pppf! you're imagining something that hasn't happened yet
I guess that's point proven Jim
It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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Posted: October 13 2009 at 02:41
Jim Garten wrote:
el dingo wrote:
Alberto Muņoz wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
I've had some experiences which push me to vote 'yes'
Me too
That makes three of us
The problem with elaborating on such experiences on an open forum is whilst you cannot generally explain them & are not saying they prove the existence of the supernatural, you just know any elaboration will invite derisive denial from some quarters
pppf! you're imagining something that hasn't happened yet
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Posted: October 13 2009 at 02:30
el dingo wrote:
Alberto Muņoz wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
I've had some experiences which push me to vote 'yes'
Me too
That makes three of us
The problem with elaborating on such experiences on an open forum is whilst you cannot generally explain them & are not saying they prove the existence of the supernatural, you just know any elaboration will invite derisive denial from some quarters
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 23:49
Textbook wrote:
I don't believe in them per se, but admit that they might exist, though strictly as a scientific phenomena, not some magical inexplicable spiritual thing.
Emotional energy exists in some physical form. It may be possible that, especially in case of an extreme event such as murder or rape, or someone inhabiting the same place for decades, this energy does not dissipate and 'stains' a location. In certain conditions, especially when dark/quiet and the observer is undistracted, we become susceptible to this energy and it gives us thoughts and sensory impressions. These impressions are what we call ghosts. They are not visitations from beyond the grave, but emotional stains.
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 23:47
I don't believe in them per se, but admit that they might exist, though strictly as a scientific phenomena, not some magical inexplicable spiritual thing.
Emotional energy exists in some physical form. It may be possible that, especially in case of an extreme event such as murder or rape, or someone inhabiting the same place for decades, this energy does not dissipate and 'stains' a location. In certain conditions, especially when dark/quiet and the observer is undistracted, we become susceptible to this energy and it gives us thoughts and sensory impressions. These impressions are what we call ghosts. They are not visitations from beyond the grave, but emotional stains.
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 03:21
el dingo wrote:
Alberto Muņoz wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
I've had some experiences which push me to vote 'yes'
Me too
That makes three of us - but i can't vote because i don't understand how or why the things I've experienced happened.
In my previous house I had a book about UFOs on the bedroom bookshelf, wedged tight between other books. I came home from work one night and there it was on the floor. And that was just one of many such experiences in that house...
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 02:50
Alberto Muņoz wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
I've had some experiences which push me to vote 'yes'
Me too
That makes three of us - but i can't vote because i don't understand how or why the things I've experienced happened.
In my previous house I had a book about UFOs on the bedroom bookshelf, wedged tight between other books. I came home from work one night and there it was on the floor. And that was just one of many such experiences in that house...
It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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