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    Posted: June 30 2009 at 00:45
^ I'm a software developer myself, and I know that just because some piece of software requires more processing power it doesn't mean it's better or more sophisticated ... it might simply be poorly written. But I don't think that's the case with software instruments ... there's a big competition between the manufacturers, and one of the key aspects of good plugins is that you can use many of them simultaneously.
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It's a self generating evolution PF- more power and resources results in more powerful apps. Or, in the case of some, more bloatware
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Points: 5195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2009 at 00:21
^ Like I said above: The key is recording dry. In a few years you can get a new computer (probably an 8 core by then, with 16GB RAM) ... processing power won't be an issue then. Unless of course they release a new generation of plugins which are even better and use more processing power. But whatever happens: If you record dry you'll be able to use any amp/cab sim you like. 
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Points: 25210 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2009 at 21:27
Pretty much all the well done Peavey Revalver MK III clips I've heard always sound slightly fuller and less artificial.
My main problem with Revalver is that unless you're using a Firewire interface and a Intel Quad Core CPU, you can forget about using it. It seems like to get anything close to low CPU usage you're expected to have a upper middle to high end CPU.
But of course, if you're computer has the muscle power, it's strongly recommended for people that want to get the sounds of the Peavey 5150, XXX, JSX and a few more amps at amazing quality.


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LOL if it makes you happy, I'll also mention that I think that in the last few years they've been falling a bit behind as far as amp modelling technology is concerned ... I hope that they'll publish a completely new version some time soon (next year). Still, I'll keep using their technology ... I'm quite happy with it, and I have yet to find something better in the same price range (applies to the POD as well as the TonePorts - which are now called "POD Studio").
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Still trying for that illusive Line6 endorsement then Mike LOL
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It has a couple of mic preamps ... but none of them are lo-fi enough.LOL

BTW: This would be today's version of the cassette recorder technique:

http://www.line6.com/backtrack/

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^ does the Line6 have a "cassette player's mic modelling" mode? Wink
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^ sure, you can still do that. But why not spend those $150 and record in pristine quality?
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Points: 3596 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2009 at 10:48
geez, years ago, you just put your cassette player's mike in front of your amp and went from there. 
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The Line6 POD Studio UX1 also comes with Ableton Live 6 Lite Edition ... you should be able to upgrade it to version 8 for free. It's basically the full Live 8 application, but you can only use 8 tracks and the number of simultaneous effects is very limited. Still, a really good solution for beginners!
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The Newest version of Cakewalk Guitar Tracks looks pretty good. I used older versions and they really served me well.
 
I use a cheap version of Cubase that came with the interface I use (Lexicon Omega)
 
http://www.zzounds.com/item--LEXOMEGA $174 for interface and recording software. I paid a little over $200 4 years ago when it was new. There may be better versions of the same thing now.
 
But even these cheap version of Cubase and Cakewalk blow Audacity and other basic versions out of the water. Virtual instruments, onboard effects, really all you need until you're good enough to need to do everything in a pro studio.
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Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by St.Cleve Chronicle St.Cleve Chronicle wrote:

Are there many affordable ways to record my electric guitar into the computer? I was thinking about something like an interface to which I could plug in a dynamic microphone.


Is this by any chance a way for you to get to working on my project before the fall, Kalle? Wink


Yes. But I can wait until then, so the problem is solved. Thank's for all the answers anyway!
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I plug my guitar straight into the microphone jack of my laptop. (There is no line-in.) The sound is OK as long as I don't let more than two strings ring at a time. Smile
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If I wasn't using Ableton, which I got for free since I'm a lucky b*****d, I'd be using Reaper. It absolutely destroys Audacity. So many dudes are getting insanely good results with it.

Also, what amp are you using?
Unless it's actually a good tube amp or a really high quality solid state amp, you're going to get better results with Line 6 amp sims+impulses,
Another good option is just recording quickly with Line 6 stuff and re-amping using an expensive amp you can't afford to buy but can easily afford to rent for a short while. Lots of great re-amped recordings out there to hear.
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Originally posted by St.Cleve Chronicle St.Cleve Chronicle wrote:

Are there many affordable ways to record my electric guitar into the computer? I was thinking about something like an interface to which I could plug in a dynamic microphone.


Is this by any chance a way for you to get to working on my project before the fall, Kalle? Wink
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If I was going low cost and just wanted to play around- I would Get Audacity (free download as it is open source). Use your crappy soundcard input to the pre amp out of your guitar amp (if you have a mixer this is a better option for your signal).  The cost here would be nothing- apart from perhaps a lead that will change genders between the amp and the soundcard input.

You can always upgrade later when you feel you are ready to move on.
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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

However, there's an alternative that I think needs to be mentioned here:

Record the dry signal of your guitar in your DAW and use software instruments (plugins) to handle the amp/cabinet simulation. This approach has several advantages ... the most obvious is that you can change the amp at any point, so if during the mixdown you find that you need to crank up the gain or you would like to use another amp, or change the (virtual) microphone ... you can easily do that. The second advantage is that when a few years from now the next generation of guitar amp simulations comes out, you will be able to apply it to the music that you record today. Smile
Absolutely agree. Also if you record the guitar without effects (ie non-expressive effects - if you are using wah or swell peddle then obviously you need to record with those inline) you can also add effects (distortion, phase, flange, echo etc) via instrument plugins afterwards too.
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Points: 5195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2009 at 14:55
Originally posted by St.Cleve Chronicle St.Cleve Chronicle wrote:

I see. I'll have to think about that "POD studio GX".


Well, the UX1 doesn't cost that much more ... I'd recommend you get that one, since it has the microphone input. Smile
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

To do that you'd want to mic up your amps speakers, so the first step is getting some quality microphones (a Shure SM57 is an obvious low-cost choice, but you may want to consider ribbon or condenser mics). You can do it with a single mic, but I'd suggest at least two or three to get the ideal tone from your amp (one close and slightly off-axis, one close and more to the side and one further away - you could also try puting a mic at the back of the amp). Basically the closer the mic to the center axis of the speaker the more brilliance there will be in the tone, but the less 'natural' it will sound, by having various mics you can balance the sound you want. Another thing to appreciate is the sound of your amp that you are use to while playing is different to what the mics will pick up due to their proximity to the speaker, so you may have to tweek your EQ settings to get what you are looking for.
 
All these mics should feed into either a mixer and then into a microphone i/p of a PC audio interface, or into multiple channels of the PC audio interface to record them individually. Recording them individually gives you more flexibility to mix them at your leasure after recording the killer lick.
 


A very accurate description of what needs to be done if you want to record a real amp.Clap

However, there's an alternative that I think needs to be mentioned here:

Record the dry signal of your guitar in your DAW and use software instruments (plugins) to handle the amp/cabinet simulation. This approach has several advantages ... the most obvious is that you can change the amp at any point, so if during the mixdown you find that you need to crank up the gain or you would like to use another amp, or change the (virtual) microphone ... you can easily do that. The second advantage is that when a few years from now the next generation of guitar amp simulations comes out, you will be able to apply it to the music that you record today. Smile
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