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    Posted: April 14 2010 at 05:55
Originally posted by Desoc Desoc wrote:

Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

Just because it's an opportunity of Web 2.0, it doesn't mean it's good. Shall we join a forum members in social networking, 'friends' and Farmville applications too?

The site will gain absolutely nothing from that. If you read one's review, you probably have your own opinion about it. If you need to voice your opinion, you can do it in the forum.

The review can be good or passable - but I really don't see the point of cramming the 10, 20 or 100 meaningless and shallow one-liner comments under a 400+ words review. I, for one, would hate to see this site going the path Internet Blogs and YouTube went.


This reminds me of people complaining that TV has lost its value because there are so many low-quality channels. You don't have to watch those channels, you can turn the TV off. And you don't have to read the comments on the reviews if only the reviews are what interests you. Are you completely unable to enjoy a good Youtube video because some prepubertal dopeheads have commented on it? Why is it that people believe that their lack of added value is a general lack of added value? Why not allow those of us who want a dynamic exchange of views without having to detour into a forum with its own dynamics, to have it, and then just ignore if you don't like it?

And Marty: You know as well as me that a spam problem can be avoided just as easily in a comment field as on any blog with decent software.


Because it would look dreadful and cluttered. 

The layout of this site is one of its many charms, and honestly, I do not want a bunch of folks arguing about whether my one star review of this album or that album was justified, having a bunch of two-bit comments from angry commentators detract from something I might have spent hours crafting.

I find it impressive that people would ask for a site overhaul rather than take upon themselves the very easy task of learning  how to hit "post reply" in the reviews discussion thread.  Ermm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2010 at 04:42
Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

Just because it's an opportunity of Web 2.0, it doesn't mean it's good. Shall we join a forum members in social networking, 'friends' and Farmville applications too?

The site will gain absolutely nothing from that. If you read one's review, you probably have your own opinion about it. If you need to voice your opinion, you can do it in the forum.

The review can be good or passable - but I really don't see the point of cramming the 10, 20 or 100 meaningless and shallow one-liner comments under a 400+ words review. I, for one, would hate to see this site going the path Internet Blogs and YouTube went.


This reminds me of people complaining that TV has lost its value because there are so many low-quality channels. You don't have to watch those channels, you can turn the TV off. And you don't have to read the comments on the reviews if only the reviews are what interests you. Are you completely unable to enjoy a good Youtube video because some prepubertal dopeheads have commented on it? Why is it that people believe that their lack of added value is a general lack of added value? Why not allow those of us who want a dynamic exchange of views without having to detour into a forum with its own dynamics, to have it, and then just ignore if you don't like it?

And Marty: You know as well as me that a spam problem can be avoided just as easily in a comment field as on any blog with decent software.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2010 at 03:46
And imagine all these spam comments that would appear. Without a chance to eradicate them all, as they will keep going and going.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2010 at 19:32
Just because it's an opportunity of Web 2.0, it doesn't mean it's good. Shall we join a forum members in social networking, 'friends' and Farmville applications too?

The site will gain absolutely nothing from that. If you read one's review, you probably have your own opinion about it. If you need to voice your opinion, you can do it in the forum.

The review can be good or passable - but I really don't see the point of cramming the 10, 20 or 100 meaningless and shallow one-liner comments under a 400+ words review. I, for one, would hate to see this site going the path Internet Blogs and YouTube went.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2010 at 15:44
I'd be curious about trying this for one week because sometimes commenting would be nice (if there is a specially great review or if there are minor mistakes).

But of course this would lead to big administration work, so it is actually quite utopic in a way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 07:47
I´m not much for the idea either. I would much rather see people write their opinions about an album  in their own review. Discussing other people´s reviews in the open forum is fruitless IMO. If you got something to say about a review be it positive or negative just PM the reviewer and let him or her know your feelings. People have done that with some of my reviews and I´ve done it with other people´s reviews as well if I felt a strong need to do that. I think that works just fine. offensive reviews are dealt with elsewhere.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 07:28
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Then we'd need to have a discussion or review for the review discussions. Tongue


LOL oh joy...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 07:11
Then we'd need to have a discussion or review for the review discussions. Tongue

Edited by Slartibartfast - April 14 2009 at 07:12
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 06:31
I like the idea of reviews being static, regardless of whether I agree with the views expressed or not.
 
One positive aside would be that if the possibility of a direct discussion remained closed, it could get people to wite their own reviews as a reaction.
 
I don't think very positively of human nature, and a discussion as suggested would inevitably lead to trouble, as mentioned above.
 
The Wikipedia example only works because of a very strictly enforced admin- and editing policy, and I very much doubt that those responsibilities could be kept to a humane level here, when debating such volatile matters as taste.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2009 at 20:44
I will lend my support to the naysayers this time round.

I have people PMing me with praises, criticisms, and suggestions regarding my reviews.  I welcome all those.  But do keep them private.  Otherwise, bugger off.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2009 at 20:28
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Over the years, I have read lots of reviews I didn't like or agree with, but I am quite sure I would never criticise its author openly - unless the review itself went against the rules (this is why we have the Report Reviews thread for). Personally, I think having a 'comment a review' space would stifle people's freedom of expression, and ultimately damage what is one of our most important assets.

     
I agree-- will the madness never end?! Wink   ..I mean eventually we'll have comments on the comments, and a Review Comment Abuse Thread where whole debates will rage only to be ended by annoyed Admins


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2009 at 08:51
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just last night I had a collab take a run at me for a post of mine that he misread.. misinterpreted and was looking for a fight.  The forum has been mighty chippy and has been going that road for some time.  Don't think this is a good idea at all. 

A PM or even a shout out post works if one likes a review.. and if one doesn't...  get over it.
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Em...that wouldn't be me would it, re the Tommy thread ? Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2009 at 08:14
^ yepper....   the site is about album reviews... not making sport of rating or reviewing the reviewers.

Love what M@X has done here... but think this is a stinker of an idea. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2009 at 08:03
This is really quite dopey- you want to discuss the reviews???

Discuss the album, not the review- this is really simple to do- you write a review.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2009 at 07:59
not to be lost... is the fact that good reviews...good reviewers get their just desserts.. and recognition... they are made prog reviewers.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2009 at 07:52
Over the years, I have read lots of reviews I didn't like or agree with, but I am quite sure I would never criticise its author openly - unless the review itself went against the rules (this is why we have the Report Reviews thread for). Personally, I think having a 'comment a review' space would stifle people's freedom of expression, and ultimately damage what is one of our most important assets.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2009 at 07:02
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

I did not have the time to read all the post but I must say that this idea is one that I'd like to put in place since a long time.

About the "comment a review" , I was thinking ...

- Allow member only to do it
- Allow reviewer to delete comment and report abuse to admin

This could only be positive since it could lead to ...

- A way to connect between reader and reviewer easily
- Get tips to improve future reviews contruction
- Complete the review in a way ... (date correction , member name fix, others...)


Please comments this




I think we have three active threads on this... the one Bob posted a link for... and another...

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51719&PN=2


anyway...  here are my two cents M@X.. for what it is worth.

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

can't say I like the idea of reviewing or rating reviews in any way....  people don't care to see albums they love get less than stellar reviews.. and it wouldn't make a damn difference whether it was a hatchet job or a well written review. 

the atmosphere here has darkened enough over the last year or two... look at the threads to see how combative the forum has slowly become.. this would be just gas to the fire. 


if you like a review... use the PM button.... and if you don't....  get over it... people see these albums in their own personal ways.


just last night I had a collab take a run at me for a post of mine that he misread.. misinterpreted and was looking for a fight.  The forum has been mighty chippy and has been going that road for some time.  Don't think this is a good idea at all. 

A PM or even a shout out post works if one likes a review.. and if one doesn't...  get over it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2009 at 23:13
I'd like to stick to the "write your own review" point of view. Like, who wants to read someone arguing with someone else's subjective hearing of a certain piece of music. Just tell me what YOU think of the music instead. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2009 at 09:30
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

I did not have the time to read all the post but I must say that this idea is one that I'd like to put in place since a long time.

About the "comment a review" , I was thinking ...

- Allow member only to do it
- Allow reviewer to delete comment and report abuse to admin

This could only be positive since it could lead to ...

- A way to connect between reader and reviewer easily
- Get tips to improve future reviews contruction
- Complete the review in a way ... (date correction , member name fix, others...)


Please comments this
 
Sorry M@X for having unintentionally ignored this. I'm glad to hear that you're thinking in this direction. I believe this would take this site a long step in the direction of a social, interactive site not only in the forum for in the site at large. That would be vital improvement for an already vital site.
 
I think your ideas are largely good. Only members should be allowed to post, definitely - also to avoid spam. I'm a little hesitant toward allowing reviewers to delete comments, though. Imagine a reviewer having written highly controversial or inaccurate statements in his review, and systematically deleting every comment that points this out. Everybody should be allowed to report inappropriate comments to a moderator, but perhaps reviewers should be given special priority?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2009 at 14:59
I believe Ground&Sky has a comment box next to reviews,  I used to enjoy it, though sometimes whole discussions take place where only comments are meant to be posted.


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