| Author |
 Topic Search  Topic Options
|
Abbath 
Forum Groupie
Joined: January 19 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 91
|
 Topic: Opeth
Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:33 |
 King of Loss wrote:
Ahh, Green Carnation has an amazing album that
is one song, 60 minutes long, make sure you check that one out. But
Agalloch and Katatonia are kinda boring for me. |
Ah yes, the famous Light of Day, Day of Darkness. If you can sit
through the 60 minutes filled with Piano and Violin interludes, you're
a true soldier!
Interesting stuff, to say the least.
|
 |
Abbath
Forum Groupie
Joined: January 19 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 91
|
Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:31 |
goose wrote:
Abbath wrote:
Not at all. There are a ton of great prog/(insert metal genre here) bands like Negura Bunget, Drudkh, Coprofago, etc...
|
Got a list of any more? I love investigating obscure/inventive metal but I'd never heard of any of those  . |
I must warn you, some of these are a bit more niche than Opeth, but they are excellant.
Cynic - Focus (Death/Jazz/Prog)
Negura Bunget - N' Crugu Bradlui (Black/Prog)
Drudkh - Autumn Aurora (Atmospheric Black/Folk/Prog)
Atheist - Unquestionable Presence (Death/Jazz/Prog)
Feel free to check these out, but they are a bit tougher to get into
than Opeth. I HIGHLY reccomend Cynic. Hope you find something you like.
|
|
King of Loss
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 21 2005
Location: Boston, MA
Status: Offline
Points: 16451
|
Posted: April 23 2005 at 19:39 |
MAYH is f**king heavy as hell, I think its the album before MAYH, Morningrise and Still Life the album after it is where Opeth really sprouted, of course reaching their peak at around BWP :)
|
|
frenchie
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 30 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 2234
|
Posted: April 23 2005 at 18:54 |
|
i think the first 2 albums are good, they use a different guitar style and different kind of riffs as they are still finding their sound. My Arms Your Hearse is the daddy where true Opeth begins and they continued to develop from there.
|
The Worthless Recluse
|
|
King of Loss
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 21 2005
Location: Boston, MA
Status: Offline
Points: 16451
|
Posted: April 23 2005 at 17:03 |
Abbath wrote:
My qualms with later-era Opeth is that it's too derivative and predictable. Gone were heartfelt passages and now we get what seems like Opeth trying to please the new fans they got because of BwP (where they started their massive downfall). |
Well, you see. Everyone has their own opinions and I don't like the sound of earlier Opeth. I actually think Opeth actually peaked around Blackwater Park.
Metropolis wrote:
Green Carnation, Aggaloch, Katatonia are some other good ones well worth checking out |
Ahh, Green Carnation has an amazing album that is one song, 60 minutes long, make sure you check that one out. But Agalloch and Katatonia are kinda boring for me.
|
|
Metropolis
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 20 2004
Location: Scotland
Status: Offline
Points: 760
|
Posted: April 23 2005 at 12:32 |
|
Green Carnation, Aggaloch, Katatonia are some other good ones well worth checking out
|
We Lost the Skyline............
|
|
Unifaun
Forum Groupie
Joined: April 16 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 49
|
Posted: April 23 2005 at 12:31 |
|
ah yes, i have that album but it is a copy cd so i dont have the original cover! It is a good album indeedy!
|
|
|
|
goose
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 20 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 4097
|
Posted: April 23 2005 at 12:27 |
Abbath wrote:
Not at all. There are a ton of great prog/(insert metal genre here) bands like Negura Bunget, Drudkh, Coprofago, etc...
|
Got a list of any more? I love investigating obscure/inventive metal but I'd never heard of any of those .
|
|
Metropolis
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 20 2004
Location: Scotland
Status: Offline
Points: 760
|
Posted: April 23 2005 at 12:14 |
|
Yep, named after a DT song, the album depicted is Porcupine Tree's The Sky Moves Sideways, tis a most excellent album
|
We Lost the Skyline............
|
|
Unifaun
Forum Groupie
Joined: April 16 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 49
|
Posted: April 23 2005 at 12:10 |
|
yay! what is that album in your pic? I recognise it from somewhere... I take it you are named after a DT song.
|
|
|
|
Metropolis
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 20 2004
Location: Scotland
Status: Offline
Points: 760
|
Posted: April 23 2005 at 12:05 |
Yep, Mike especially is a masiive camel fan and has been quoted saying
"progressive rock is the ultimate form of music", which of course we
all agree with 
|
We Lost the Skyline............
|
|
Unifaun
Forum Groupie
Joined: April 16 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 49
|
Posted: April 23 2005 at 12:04 |
|
i heard that opeth are big fans of camel?
|
|
|
|
Abbath
Forum Groupie
Joined: January 19 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 91
|
Posted: April 23 2005 at 10:50 |
King of Loss wrote:
Abbath wrote:
goose wrote:
Abbath wrote:
They alos aren't death metal, they're way more
doom and prog metal than anything. The growling vocals (which are
great) don't make them death metal.
|
Trust me, doom purists would hang, draw and quarter you for saying that  .
Looks like death metallers say they aren't death metal, prog rockers
say they aren't prog, doom metallers say they aren't doom, black
metallers say they aren't black metal (something I'd definitely agree
with!). And what do we learn from this? I think we learn we need to
stop being such elitists and open our minds a little! (In case you
think I'm accusing you of being elitist, Abbath, I'm not, your post was
just a useful one to quote)
|
Sure, they aren't true-blue doom like Worship
(fineral doom), Candlemass or St-Vitus, but they aren't Death Metal
either. I just said they lean more towards doom than death in terms of
song structure and compositional elements. I'm not a death metaller,
nor am I a doomer, but I feel I'm well versed enough in metal to
classify them as death-doom with some prog elements.
No offence taken either BTW.
|
This is a tr0000 proggie site, you don't have to convince them what is what because its all the same to most people here.
Me, myself loathe Doom Metal, that's why I really can not get into
the earlier Opeth albums. Too sad and slow for me. When I like Heavy, I
prefer to put on Technical Death Metal, Train of Thought or some
quality Thrash. |
My qualms with later-era Opeth is that it's too derivative and
predictable. Gone were heartfelt passages and now we get what seems
like Opeth trying to please the new fans they got because of BwP (where
they started their massive downfall).
|
|
King of Loss
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 21 2005
Location: Boston, MA
Status: Offline
Points: 16451
|
Posted: April 22 2005 at 21:20 |
Abbath wrote:
goose wrote:
Abbath wrote:
They alos aren't death metal, they're way more doom and prog metal than anything. The growling vocals (which are great) don't make them death metal.
|
Trust me, doom purists would hang, draw and quarter you for saying that . Looks like death metallers say they aren't death metal, prog rockers say they aren't prog, doom metallers say they aren't doom, black metallers say they aren't black metal (something I'd definitely agree with!). And what do we learn from this? I think we learn we need to stop being such elitists and open our minds a little! (In case you think I'm accusing you of being elitist, Abbath, I'm not, your post was just a useful one to quote)
|
Sure, they aren't true-blue doom like Worship (fineral doom), Candlemass or St-Vitus, but they aren't Death Metal either. I just said they lean more towards doom than death in terms of song structure and compositional elements. I'm not a death metaller, nor am I a doomer, but I feel I'm well versed enough in metal to classify them as death-doom with some prog elements.
No offence taken either BTW.
|
This is a tr0000 proggie site, you don't have to convince them what is what because its all the same to most people here.
Me, myself loathe Doom Metal, that's why I really can not get into the earlier Opeth albums. Too sad and slow for me. When I like Heavy, I prefer to put on Technical Death Metal, Train of Thought or some quality Thrash.
|
|
King of Loss
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 21 2005
Location: Boston, MA
Status: Offline
Points: 16451
|
Posted: April 22 2005 at 21:19 |
Abbath wrote:
King of Loss wrote:
Something only Edge of Sanity or Novembre has.
|
Not at all. There are a ton of great prog/(insert metal genre here) bands like Negura Bunget, Drudkh, Coprofago, etc...
You really have to go deep into some less "attractive" parts of metal to find some interesting fusions.
You really HAVE to check out Morningrise and Still Life. They FAR surpass Blackwater Park, Deliverance and Damnation (their 3 worst efforts).
|
I own all their albums and I find their evolution to be better. The band has just improved so much.
|
|
Bryan
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: April 01 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 3013
|
Posted: April 22 2005 at 21:16 |
philippe wrote:
Taken from OPETH official website!!
First bought record: Iron Maiden Number of the beast
Best ever song: A day in the life The Beatles
Best ever album: Sabbath bloody Sabbath Black Sabbath, Porcupine tree - Stupid dream/In absentia, The beatles - White album, Led Zeppelin - IV etc, etc
Favourite songwriter: The Beatles (living & dead), Ritchie Blackmore, Steven Wilson, Stefan Dimle/Reine Fiske, Jimmy Page
Favourite musician: The above + Andy Latimer, Jerry Donahue, Trey Azagthoth, David Vincent, David Coverdale, Ronnie Dio, Rob Halford, Jörn Lande, Yngwie Malmsteen, Ann & Nancy Wilson.
First bought record: Iron Maiden “Iron Maiden”
Best ever song: That’s impossible to say!
Best ever album: It could be Porcupine Tree “In absentia”!!
Favourite songwriter: Lennon/McCartney or Steven Wilson
Favourite singer: Jeff Buckley
Favourite guitarist: Edward Van Halen
Other favourite musician: Stevie Wonder
Look at this, what a big shame!!!! Where are the roots in progressive music??????
|
I see that you took the liberty of omitting the parts of each member's biography where they mention Camel albums as being among their favorites.
|
|
Abbath
Forum Groupie
Joined: January 19 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 91
|
Posted: April 22 2005 at 21:04 |
goose wrote:
Abbath wrote:
They alos aren't death metal,
they're way more doom and prog metal than anything. The growling vocals
(which are great) don't make them death metal.
|
Trust me, doom purists would hang, draw and quarter you for saying that .
Looks like death metallers say they aren't death metal, prog rockers
say they aren't prog, doom metallers say they aren't doom, black
metallers say they aren't black metal (something I'd definitely agree
with!). And what do we learn from this? I think we learn we need to
stop being such elitists and open our minds a little! (In case you
think I'm accusing you of being elitist, Abbath, I'm not, your post was
just a useful one to quote) |
Sure, they aren't true-blue doom like Worship (fineral doom),
Candlemass or St-Vitus, but they aren't Death Metal either. I just said
they lean more towards doom than death in terms of song structure and
compositional elements. I'm not a death metaller, nor am I a doomer,
but I feel I'm well versed enough in metal to classify them as
death-doom with some prog elements.
No offence taken either BTW.
|
|
Abbath
Forum Groupie
Joined: January 19 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 91
|
Posted: April 22 2005 at 21:01 |
King of Loss wrote:
Something only Edge of Sanity or Novembre has.
|
Not at all. There are a ton of great prog/(insert metal genre here) bands like Negura Bunget, Drudkh, Coprofago, etc...
You really have to go deep into some less "attractive" parts of metal to find some interesting fusions.
You really HAVE to check out Morningrise and Still Life. They FAR
surpass Blackwater Park, Deliverance and Damnation (their 3 worst
efforts).
Edited by Abbath
|
|
King of Loss
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 21 2005
Location: Boston, MA
Status: Offline
Points: 16451
|
Posted: April 21 2005 at 19:44 |
Hi, I am new too. Here are my rundowns on the Opeth albums:
1. Damnation- This is definitely my favorite disc, sounds like 60s, 70s Prog that I really dig. I love the ELP tone on the sound of the music.
2. Blackwater Park- Probably the most complete Opeth disc, it features amazing growls and vocals by Mikael Akerfeldt, of course it has to one of the most atmospheric releases ever.
3. Deliverance- Heavy as f**k, but still it kicks ass. Love that title Track and a master's apprentice
4. Morningrise- Amazing song- Black Rose Immortal, kinda a change of their older sound (Black metalish) into a more Doom/Death mix with Blackish tint to it.
5. Still Life
6. MAYH
7. Orchid- To a lot of you, tr00 proggies, Orchid sucks. To me, its a very average disc made by one of the best METAL units around.
They might not be a great Prog band, but its better than 99 percent of the crap out there.
And
They are Doom Metal mixed with Progressive Rock, Death Metal and Black Metal overtures. Something only Edge of Sanity or Novembre has.
|
|
Idioglossia
Forum Groupie
Joined: April 21 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 44
|
Posted: April 21 2005 at 19:36 |
Hi everyone new to this forum. First a little about myself...my name's Jake, I'm 14 years old, don't assume I'm as immature as most 14 year olds are because your assumption would be completely wrong . Anyways, this is a hard one but my favorite album is either Blackwater Park or Damnation. I think the main reason I chose BWP is because it has 'The Drapery Falls', which was my first metal in general song in 5th grade. I can't even imagine what my mom must have thought.  I'm in 8th grade now so she's pretty used to it haha.
|
|
The weak dress in hatred to hide their fear..
|
|
/PAlogo_v2.gif "Progarchives.com Homepage")
Opeth
