Black Sabbath inclusion

I think we'll bring the debate about BS inclusion to a an end now.

Edited by Easy Livin - October 14 2007 at 13:57

The

Mob Rules...!!!

 

Are the only words for this mytical Inclusion!!!

 

(But PA isn't a Prog site...? Well... Is a site for Progressive Music and Proto Progressive Music... And also related... Oh my god... Cozy is also a Sabbath's Member with Dio...!!! Dio is God and Powell is second God!!!).

 

 

Edited by Mandrakeroot - October 14 2007 at 12:49

Easy Money wrote: debrewguy wrote: Easy Money wrote: I don't care who they decide put on here, but there are a lot of blues derived riffs in Sabbath's music. Hmmm, I wonder if other "prog" guitarists might plead guilty to referencing blues riffs in their playing. Oh my God ! Steve Howe has at times played country based guitar lines ! Out with Yes, that non-pure entity ! You pulled my qoute out of context and changed its meaning. I would never deride the blues nor diss someone for having a blues influence. I play blues gigs all the time. I was adding my two cents to an ongoing discussion in the previous posts.

Sorry, I didn't take it that you were dismissing the blues as a music form; I just meant to say that many a prog band has a stew of influences, with some far removed from the prog arena.

Ghost Rider wrote:   BTW. Hugues, there are still lots of obscure bands from the Seventies that are missing from our DB... Our teams are engaged in a spot of gold-digging, with the help of such invaluable people as Andu, and if you look at the Bands Added section, you'll see a few of them being mentioned.

Sean Trane wrote: IUn the meantime, while everybodywas focusing on insignificant Black Sabbath, none noticed the inclusion of one of the last great omission of this site, the prog folk Chilean group Congreso!!!         Thanks toç Clem, Micky and Cuncuna     Now, THERE IS PROG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And thanks to myself too, because I rescued the band from oblivion, got Cuncuna to send me the samples, and sent them in turn to Micky...

BTW. Hugues, there are still lots of obscure bands from the Seventies that are missing from our DB... Our teams are engaged in a spot of gold-digging, with the help of such invaluable people as Andu, and if you look at the Bands Added section, you'll see a few of them being mentioned.

Now, apart from the self-celebration, my point is, stop bashing the site for adding PR and PP bands to the detriment of real prog acts. This is NOT true. The genre teams are working behind the scenes in order to add as many new and older acts to an already large database - not to mention all the work that goes into adding missing bios and editing already existing ones, tidying discographies up, and monitoring reviews. Not recognising all the work that goes into the managing of this site because of a small number of controversial additions is unfair and offensive, in my very humble opinion.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: debrewguy wrote:    Ivan, as I've stated in another post (I come back after two days & it's exploded!), I would hate  to see anyone who has a good knowledge of prog leave this site. As your average PA member ( I.e., outside the collabs & Admin) I have a number of collabs & reviewers to whom I give a bit more attention. You are one of them. Not that we share identical tastes, just that you have info or comparisons that I often find helpful in searching out new music here. Plus - Think of it, all the Sabbath fans to educate.   Dopn't worry, I'm not leaving, I heard somebody left, but that's all, I believe Sabbath shouldn't be here, but if the order comes from M@X, there's little we can do.   There are other bands that are even worst, but trhat's how the game is played, we must accept the rules.   Iván

Yes, and as some will say about prog, you sometimes break the rules, or at least stretch them. And I will repeat my idea that PA may get a few Sab fans looking further into prog music.

debrewguy wrote:    Ivan, as I've stated in another post (I come back after two days & it's exploded!), I would hate  to see anyone who has a good knowledge of prog leave this site. As your average PA member ( I.e., outside the collabs & Admin) I have a number of collabs & reviewers to whom I give a bit more attention. You are one of them. Not that we share identical tastes, just that you have info or comparisons that I often find helpful in searching out new music here. Plus - Think of it, all the Sabbath fans to educate.

Sean Trane wrote: micky wrote: I really can't believe you all.... albums don't 'deserve' any particular rating.  IF so ..what is the point of reviewing...  just award the damn album 5 stars.. because it is inluential or popular.  sorry to see my example has been ignored.  You can review a non prog album accurately and fairly based on it's prog quotient.  That is fair to all... unless the only thing that matters.. is what the damn ranking is...   Exactly my point.   If I did pull out those rankings, it is to see that on the average these albums on top are the better ones from a given group.       But as I said in the other thread (rating changes) I couldn't care less of those rankings as seen from a general spectrum. Those TOP 100 list are not that trustworthy (they might give an idea, but theway some focus on it, I suspect major skewing) and less on this site than at Progressive Ears  or at Gnosis2000.       So in its finality, I don't care for intergroup comparisons, because PA is not trustworthy    read you tomorrow

And how do the top xx lists on those other sites manage to be more trustworthy ?

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Well guys, you know I'm not in favor of the inclusion of BS, but the chief has spoken and we must accept, there's no use for more debate.   The T wrote: That's the attitude!   Either non-yet-prog-fans will stumble with Sabbath on their searches and find some incredible music (then we gain more people to the prog cause) or "elitists" will leave PA because of this inclusion... Well, it's my opinion, that ANYWAY WE WIN HERE.   BTW: T please, as we know how to lose and accept some facts we don't agree with, you must learn to win, all those cheers, rubbing in our faces and calling us elitists that must leave Prog Archives, cause more problems, please avoid them.   Knowing how to win is harder than knowing how to loose.   Iván

 Ivan, as I've stated in another post (I come back after two days & it's exploded!), I would hate  to see anyone who has a good knowledge of prog leave this site. As your average PA member ( I.e., outside the collabs & Admin) I have a number of collabs & reviewers to whom I give a bit more attention. You are one of them. Not that we share identical tastes, just that you have info or comparisons that I often find helpful in searching out new music here. Plus - Think of it, all the Sabbath fans to educate.

rileydog22 wrote: micky wrote: http://www.proggnosis.com/GENRE_PROGSGGuide.asp not that there is anything wrong.. .but Raff is right.. anyone here who thinks this site is overly inclusive..  should go elsewhere and see what all know.. that it isn't. Haha, these guys have Cat Stevens!

not my intention to slam the site...only to illustrate that a) this site is not an inclusive site and b) we ALL see prog and related differently.