Don't knock the (punk) rock!

Why is it a fashion please? Because you say it?

Rap has actually been on the decline and emo groups and rock bands like Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance, Hinder, Nickleback, etc are seeing pretty good profits compared to other artists.  Reunion acts are also seeing big bucks and some are even talking about recording or already are recording new albums.  That being said the major labels as a whole are having big money problems and independent labels seem to be able to sign and release better artists, and shift their marketing much easier than the 3 mega labels can.

EMO and Rap are much younger than Prog, I don't know about the other bands you mention, their sales, popularity, etc.

Reunion concerts are always profitable, that means nothing, if ABBA who are as dead as Adam and Eve made a reunion tour, they would gather thousands of persons buying tickets and full stadiums, that doesn't mean they are alive, if they ever make a gig and start to release new material again I would believe they are alive, otherwise they are dead band 

Well, there is the Addicts, the Exploited, the Buzzcocks, the Damned, The Fall, U.K Subs, Dillinger Four, Sonic Youth, Richard Hell, Fear, Grinderman, Radio Birdman, X, Mission of Burma.

None of them is pure Punk

• The Addicts are catalogued as Rock with absolutely no information
• The Exploited are more metal than Punk
• The Damned started as a Punk band, they went Goth and ended being a dance band, their last album in 2002 (5 years ago) was described by Rat Scabies (Member of the band) as a mix of Goth and Art Rock
• UK Subs are an exception, but not sure if they release new material since 1996
• Dillinger Four are Pop band with influence of Punk, that's not even remotely close to the roots or esence of Punk
• Sonic Youth are Indie, Alternative, anything but Punk
• Richard Hell is a surviving Punk, but in more than a decade hasn't released anything new

I could check all of them but it's clear that a handfull of barely Punk artists and a couple of survivors don't keep a genre alive.

Yes that could be true, except it is still clearly identifiable and with identity.   I mean even some of the old disco artists are still touring, recording and producing.

Identifiable? So if they sound remotely influence by Punk means Punk is alive, please even the hardcore Punk fans admit the genre is dead and live remembering the Summer of 77.

Disco sold millions daily, today their sales are minimum and lets say 90% are old records bought by nostalgic fans.

Yes and the part you failed to include was by you.  I was giving my background information and experience to show that I'm not just pulling sh*t out of my ass as part of the evidence you asked for.  In fact here's the exact quote between you and I:

And I don't care for the background of any person, here all the members are the same for me, I care about a post no matter who wrote it, why should your case be something special.

If I don't care for your background or ever asked you for it, I care much less what you take from your a$$, that's a problem between you and your proctologist.

A genre is a style.  Every genre/style has its own characteristics, and mood.

No, Genre is a deternmined category of music with it's own characteristics and parameters, style is just the way a band or a musician performs the music,

A Prog band can have:

• A vocalist that sings in the style of Axl Rose or Bruce Dickinson (Check Anton Roolaart, is here in the archives)
• A keyboardist that plays in the style of Wakeman, or Tony Banks or Keith Emerson, all styles different, despite all are Prog.
• A guitar player that performs in the style of Jimmy Hendrix

Etc, there's an evident difference between genre and style.

And you don't think Yes was more fashionable within the community than Atomic Rooster? Yes is even fashionable people not in the prog community.  Roundabout is constantly on the radio even more so than Owner of a Lonely Heart.  Also as I and you mentioned before: PINK FLOYD.  A band that has two of the best selling albums of all time.

Do you think that Yes is a fashion? Yes is a band that only performs, hardly could be a fashion, it was popular among a minority community, yes they were larger than bands like gabriel Genesis but this doesn’t make them a fashion.

Being liked by more people than the ones who like Atomic Rooster doesn’t make them a fashion either.

And Yes Roundabout is probably played more than Owner of a Lonely Heart because Prog is designed to last longer than POP.

Award shows barely mention anyone or anything aside from the 5 artists nominated.  You say Prog was never a fashion which you follow up by saying it was more popular in the 70s than 80s and 90s. 

Yes Prog was more popular among the limited Prog community of the 70's that's true, that doesn't make the genre a fashion, the fashions of the moments were massive like Punk, Disco or Pop.

You also have mentioned that thousands of bands send in material for inclusion on the boards.  If prog isn't a fashion and does not sell well why would a band send in material to a prog site if they were looking to make money? Wouldn't that mean they  would become less popular and make less money?

Playing a determined genre doesn't imply being a fashion, fashion has attached other characteristics that we mentioned previously, a fashion implies a way of living, a clothing, piercing, tatoos, etc, most genres have it, some don't.

You could identify most Punks in the 70's or a Disco fan, but the Prog fan could be anybody, there was no external distinctive sign to call it a fashion, you may say it's absurd, but that's part of the music today.

And magazines dedicate pages to trashing Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan and its all people talk about but that doesn't mean they're not a fashion.

Oh please!!!!!!!!!!!

They criticize, Britney, Paris Hilton or Loghan because a magazine with their faces sell millions (A magazine with the face of Greg lake won't sell too much, less with the face of Steve Hackett because he's hardly known outside the Prog community).

Prog was mostly ignored and criticized by a few critics because it was never profitable for them because their target auduiience worried about the latest fashion in music and never cared for Prog.

The same magazine that criticizes Paris today, supports their album tomorrow, the critic that attacks Prog hardly ever mentions it

Well a lot of genres are about the music.  And only superficial assholes really care how you look.  Superficial assholes plague all genres.

So if the bands wish to be a fashion and make a profit they go to a prog site for inclusion to do so even though you been saying this whole time that prog is not a fashion?

What can I say? No matter how much I talk you will always say that every genre is a fashion because you say it.

They want to be recognized….Yes

They want to sell their albums….Yes

But they don’t want to be a simple fashion today and forgotten tomorrow, their main expectation (At least most of the prog bands) is in the music.

I have no doubt that progmetal has grown out of proportion and that there are a good amount of bands that aren't really related that are included. 

That's the only Prog Metal bands that I mentioned, the ones that without beiong Prog, want to be considered Prog Metal just because they have a keyboard and Prog Metal is selling well..

However, I mentioned groups that did/do not wish to be or try to be prog that used keyboards to address you saying that "every alternative and metal band with a keyboard wishes for inclusion on progarchives". 

That's a pleonasm, only a metaphoric figure of speech.

 You have not addressed my post, only given your opinion on progmetal's proportionis getting out of hand on this website.

Not on this website, we have a capable team that cares about whioch bands are added.

Rock and Roll (stray cats, Brian Setzer, Chris Isaak, Jerry Lee Lewis...)
Surf rock (Dick Dales, The Ventures, Los Straightjackets, The Sir Finks...)
Alt-rock (Wolf Parade, Radiohead, Doris Henson...)
Psychedelic rock (Acid Mothers Temple, Dungen, Ghost...)
blues rock (Allman Brothers Band, Buddy Guy, Jimmie Vaughan, Eric Clapton, The Rolling Stones...)
garage rock (The Mooney Suzuki, The Fleshtones, The Mummies...)
a capella (Da Vinci's Notebook, The Bobs, The Nylons, Rockapella...)
folk rock (Bob Dylan, Richard Thompson, Fairport Convention, Hot Tuna...)
pop rock/teen pop (Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, Hanson, Paul McCartney...)
country rock (Eagles, Alabama, Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, Emmylou Harris, Levon Helm...)
rockabilly (Sonny Burgess, Sleepy LaBeef, Reverend Horton Heat...)
singer/songwriter (Van Morrison, Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez...)

Do you take this list seriously?

• Country and Blues are independent genres from Rock, we're talking about Rock not other timeless genres.
• Singer Songwriter is only a description, there can be Prog, Rock, Pop and even Folk Singer Songwriters, it's hardly a genre.

Singer-songwriter is a term that refers to performers who write, compose, and sing their own material including lyrics, melodies, often providing the sole accompaniment to an entire composition or song. This form of artistic expression is very common among performers that are less well-known than pop artists. Some of these artists depend on word of mouth and extensive touring to garner a fan base and commonly appear at house concerts, coffee houses, folk clubs, and festivals.

• A Capella is merely a style of singing without music, there can be A Cappella everywhere, but mostly in Gospel music which is not a Rock Genre.

Contemporary a cappella includes many vocal bands who add vocal percussion or beatboxing to create a pop/rock sound, in some cases very similar to bands with instruments. One such group is Rockapella, a preeminent example of contemporary A Cappella. There also remains a strong a cappella presence within Christian music, as some denominations do not allow instruments to be used during services. Arrangements of popular music for small a cappella ensembles typically include one voice singing the lead melody, one singing a rhythmic bass line, and the remaining voices contributing chordal or polyphonic accompaniment. A cappella can also describe the practice of using just the vocal track(s) from a multitrack, instrumental recording to be remixed or put onto vinyl records for DJs. Artists sometimes release the vocal tracks of their popular songs so that fans can remix them. One such example is the a cappella release of Jay-Z's Black Album, which Danger Mouse mixed with the Beatles' White Album to create The Grey Album. Increased interest in modern a cappella (particularly collegiate a cappella) can be seen in the growth of awards such as the Contemporary A Cappella Recording Awards (overseen by the Contemporary A Cappella Society) and competitions such as the International Championship of Collegiate A Cappella for college groups and the Harmony Sweepstakes for all groups.

• Folk Rock is just a blending of two genres as Folk Prog, in that case Folk Rock is a sub-genre of Folk and simultaneously a sub-genre of Rock.
• Garage Rock has barely survived with a handful of representatives but according to all sources, died in 1970, there have been temporary revivals but nothing else.

Garage rock is a raw form of rock and roll that was first popular in the United States and Canada from about 1963 to 1967. During the 1960s, it was not recognized as a separate music genre and had no specific name. In the early 1970s, some rock critics retroactively labelled it as punk rock. However, the music style was later referred to as garage rock or '60s Punk to avoid confusion with the music of late-1970s punk rock bands such as the SeX Pistols and The Clash.

• Pop is simply an acronynm for popular music and it's  an individual genre indepenant from Rock, with it's own characteristiocs, like simple structure (ABBA mostly), short leght of songs, catchy lyrivcs, etc.

Pop is contemporary music and a common type of popular music (distinguished from classical or art music and from folk music]). The term popular music does not refer specifically to a single genre or sound, and its meaning is different depending on the time and place. Within popular music, "pop music" is often distinguished from other subgenres by stylistic traits such as a danceable rhythm or beat, simple melodies and a repeating structure. Pop song lyrics are often emotional, commonly relating to love, loss, emotion, or dancing. This often differs from rock, where political themes are more common. Pop music may include elements of rock, hip hop, reggae, dance, R&B, jazz, electronic, and sometimes folk music and various other styles. For example, in the 1920s–50s pop music drew influence mainly from jazz, beginning in the 1950s from rock and R&B, and since the 1980s, from hip hop. The broad appeal of pop music is seen to distinguish it from more specific types of popular music, and pop music performers and recordings are among the best-selling and most widely known in many regions of the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music

• Surf Rock was barely a genre, it’s a style a fashion mostly of the 60’s nothing more.

Where are the real popular Rock related  genres like Punk, New Wave or Disco?

BTW: Do you believe it's serious to catalogue The Ventures as a real Rock band?

That's like saying Paul Mauriat and Ray Conniff are Rock artists

Well I figured since I had already mentioned several artists in those genres (in my posts) that still work today I didn't need to include a list of people from those genres that are so clearly alive.  Also they are rock sub-genres like prog, not moods, but are not exclusive from moods of the performers, listeners or sounds.  Anyways if you so desire I've included some examples of people in each genre that work or still work.

Most of the ones you mention are not related with Rock, but even in that case, a handfull of artists don't make a genre alive and growing.

You know how to discover if a genre is alive and growing?

Check the next post for space reasons

Iván