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Blacksword 
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 Topic: Believing in the Paranormal
Posted: June 30 2007 at 17:03 |
 Zitro wrote:
A collection of possibly the best Ghost/poltergeist/demon activity on tape ... almost everything here just looks too real to be fake. There aren't big screams or things like that, so you can turn up the volume a bit. Maybe you should watch it at least a few hours before going to sleep. Fake or not, it's scary stuff.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deoJUBW9CI8&mode=user&search=#
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Wow! Some of that poltergeist stuff does look very real, and very scary.
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Zitro
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Posted: June 29 2007 at 17:36 |
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A collection of possibly the best Ghost/poltergeist/demon activity on tape ... almost everything here just looks too real to be fake. There aren't big screams or things like that, so you can turn up the volume a bit. Maybe you should watch it at least a few hours before going to sleep. Fake or not, it's scary stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deoJUBW9CI8&mode=user&search=#
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Sasquamo
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 18:21 |
Peter wrote:
Sasquamo wrote:
Bigfoot |
Where are the dead ones? the bones? (surely we'd have found the remains of such large animals, by now!)
Where's the poop?
Where's the bits of fur?
Where's the recent, reliable photographic evidence/pelts/tracks from: native Americans, loggers, prospectors, hikers, environmentalists, campers, etc?
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They are very smart, they make sure they always clean up any hair that falls off of them and they put they bury their waste like cats. They even carry a big makeshift hoe behing them to scrap away their tracks. They also bury their dead in ten foot holes. Believe me, they'll reveal themselves when they feel the time is right.
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rileydog22
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 17:01 |
Tony R wrote:
I'll quite happily dismiss all religion as mumbo-jumbo, security-blanket pseudo-science...
there. said it. Not insulting any individuals though.
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I pretty much do that too. I try to stay respectful of religion, but sometimes that's pretty hard; there doesn't seem to be a hell of a lot to respect.
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bhikkhu
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 15:12 |
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I took an astronomy class in college. Just for fun, the professor did an astrology experiment. He passed out a list of personality descriptions that are generally associated with each sign. Only, they did not have the signs labeled with them. We picked out the personality that best fit us, and then wrote down the sign we were born with. After all the datat was in, he charted the results. If there was any validity, there should have been some sort of pattern. But, there was not even a hint of a pattern . It was all over the place.
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stonebeard
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 13:51 |
Tony R wrote:
I'll quite happily dismiss all religion as mumbo-jumbo, security-blanket pseudo-science...
there. said it. Not insulting any individuals though.
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But the people who believe are  And they can themselves.  mean "huggers/hug" by the way 
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Tony R
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 13:49 |
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I'll quite happily dismiss all religion as mumbo-jumbo, security-blanket pseudo-science...
there. said it. Not insulting any individuals though.
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Tony R
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 13:47 |
Blacksword wrote:
darqdean wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Peter wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
prog-chick wrote:
Quite an eye opener. I know that if some folk spoke about religion in the way they walk about some of these things that they would probably be booted from the board. I am not suggesting bootings...far from it, but I do find it interesting that we can say "oh yes, astrology...... load of unproven mumbo jumo" Oh, but sir, what if I believe and it brings me comfort?I can't help that I am afraid...it's all a pile'o'hogwash! But if we replace the word astrology with the name of a recognised religion (I wont use an example...it'll get taken out of context and I will get shot) it is clearly deemed unacceptable. I like debate, I like to hear the opinions of others, and I do find this pack/herd double standard very interesting....... ok....... as you were chaps............ |
An excellent point and very true. |
But, as astrology is NOT in fact a recognized religion..... |
It's recognised by those that believe in it. There are some 'recognised' religions that dont 'recognise' other 'recognised' religions. Oh Lord, I'm starting to sound like Donald Rumsfeld..  I think the point being that although Astrology is perhaps not a religion as such, it's a belief system that is no doubt sacred to some people. The same goes for Scientology, which in the eyes of it's followers IS a religion. Few people around here would give Scientology the time of day - myself included - but some would potentially be upset about knocking peoples faith in 'organised' or 'recognised' religions. . |
PC never said it was a religion, or even a belief system. She was making a point about the way it was being offhandedly dismissed in this thread.
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'Offhandedly dismissed' in a way that many wouldn't tolerate if the target of that dismissal was 'accepted religions' |
looks like everyone's been reading The God Delusion...
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thellama73
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 13:44 |
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I offhandedly dismiss diet sodas as the Devil's work, but the only who seem to get offended by that are preppy young anorexic girls.
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Dean
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 13:42 |
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^ yep, that's what I meant.
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What?
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Blacksword
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 13:06 |
darqdean wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Peter wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
prog-chick wrote:
Quite an eye opener. I know that if some folk spoke about religion in the way they walk about some of these things that they would probably be booted from the board. I am not suggesting bootings...far from it, but I do find it interesting that we can say "oh yes, astrology...... load of unproven mumbo jumo" Oh, but sir, what if I believe and it brings me comfort?I can't help that I am afraid...it's all a pile'o'hogwash! But if we replace the word astrology with the name of a recognised religion (I wont use an example...it'll get taken out of context and I will get shot) it is clearly deemed unacceptable. I like debate, I like to hear the opinions of others, and I do find this pack/herd double standard very interesting....... ok....... as you were chaps............ |
An excellent point and very true. |
But, as astrology is NOT in fact a recognized religion..... |
It's recognised by those that believe in it. There are some 'recognised' religions that dont 'recognise' other 'recognised' religions. Oh Lord, I'm starting to sound like Donald Rumsfeld.. I think the point being that although Astrology is perhaps not a religion as such, it's a belief system that is no doubt sacred to some people. The same goes for Scientology, which in the eyes of it's followers IS a religion. Few people around here would give Scientology the time of day - myself included - but some would potentially be upset about knocking peoples faith in 'organised' or 'recognised' religions. . |
PC never said it was a religion, or even a belief system. She was making a point about the way it was being offhandedly dismissed in this thread.
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'Offhandedly dismissed' in a way that many wouldn't tolerate if the target of that dismissal was 'accepted religions'
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rileydog22
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 12:45 |
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Dean
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 10:16 |
Blacksword wrote:
Peter wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
prog-chick wrote:
Quite an eye opener.
I know that if some folk spoke about religion in the way they walk about some of these things that they would probably be booted from the board.
I am not suggesting bootings...far from it, but I do find it interesting that we can say
"oh yes, astrology...... load of unproven mumbo jumo" Oh, but sir, what if I believe and it brings me comfort?I can't help that I am afraid...it's all a pile'o'hogwash!
But if we replace the word astrology with the name of a recognised religion (I wont use an example...it'll get taken out of context and I will get shot) it is clearly deemed unacceptable.
I like debate, I like to hear the opinions of others, and I do find this pack/herd double standard very interesting.......
ok....... as you were chaps............ |
An excellent point and very true. |
But, as astrology is NOT in fact a recognized religion..... |
It's recognised by those that believe in it. There are some 'recognised' religions that dont 'recognise' other 'recognised' religions. Oh Lord, I'm starting to sound like Donald Rumsfeld..
I think the point being that although Astrology is perhaps not a religion as such, it's a belief system that is no doubt sacred to some people. The same goes for Scientology, which in the eyes of it's followers IS a religion. Few people around here would give Scientology the time of day - myself included - but some would potentially be upset about knocking peoples faith in 'organised' or 'recognised' religions. . |
PC never said it was a religion, or even a belief system. She was making a point about the way it was being offhandedly dismissed in this thread.
Edited by darqdean - June 28 2007 at 10:16
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Blacksword
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 10:03 |
Peter wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
prog-chick wrote:
Quite an eye opener.
I know that if some folk spoke about religion in the way they walk about some of these things that they would probably be booted from the board.
I am not suggesting bootings...far from it, but I do find it interesting that we can say
"oh yes, astrology...... load of unproven mumbo jumo" Oh, but sir, what if I believe and it brings me comfort?I can't help that I am afraid...it's all a pile'o'hogwash!
But if we replace the word astrology with the name of a recognised religion (I wont use an example...it'll get taken out of context and I will get shot) it is clearly deemed unacceptable.
I like debate, I like to hear the opinions of others, and I do find this pack/herd double standard very interesting.......
ok....... as you were chaps............ |
An excellent point and very true. |
But, as astrology is NOT in fact a recognized religion..... |
It's recognised by those that believe in it. There are some 'recognised' religions that dont 'recognise' other 'recognised' religions. Oh Lord, I'm starting to sound like Donald Rumsfeld..
I think the point being that although Astrology is perhaps not a religion as such, it's a belief system that is no doubt sacred to some people. The same goes for Scientology, which in the eyes of it's followers IS a religion. Few people around here would give Scientology the time of day - myself included - but some would potentially be upset about knocking peoples faith in 'organised' or 'recognised' religions. .
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Peter
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 08:10 |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Blacksword
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 08:04 |
prog-chick wrote:
Quite an eye opener.
I know that if some folk spoke about religion in the way they walk about some of these things that they would probably be booted from the board.
I am not suggesting bootings...far from it, but I do find it interesting that we can say
"oh yes, astrology...... load of unproven mumbo jumo" Oh, but sir, what if I believe and it brings me comfort?I can't help that I am afraid...it's all a pile'o'hogwash!
But if we replace the word astrology with the name of a recognised religion (I wont use an example...it'll get taken out of context and I will get shot) it is clearly deemed unacceptable.
I like debate, I like to hear the opinions of others, and I do find this pack/herd double standard very interesting.......
ok....... as you were chaps............ |
An excellent point and very true.
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Neil
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 04:02 |
I believe that (since brain activity is a mixture of chemical, electrical and possibly some other energy yet unknown) esp may well exist. I mean why not? We can send radio messages across the Atlantic so why not thought messages. I'm confident that this may well exist, it's just that we've never learnt to use it. 
As for religion, I'll say it then; Religion is simply a control structure allowing the intelligent to subjugate the lesser elightened masses. Anyone who believes otherwise is sadly deluded. (Ducks and covers). 
Edited by Heavyfreight - June 28 2007 at 04:02
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When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory.
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Wilcey
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 03:51 |
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Quite an eye opener.
I know that if some folk spoke about religion in the way they walk about some of these things that they would probably be booted from the board.
I am not suggesting bootings...far from it, but I do find it interesting that we can say
"oh yes, astrology...... load of unproven mumbo jumo" Oh, but sir, what if I believe and it brings me comfort?I can't help that I am afraid...it's all a pile'o'hogwash!
But if we replace the word astrology with the name of a recognised religion (I wont use an example...it'll get taken out of context and I will get shot) it is clearly deemed unacceptable.
I like debate, I like to hear the opinions of others, and I do find this pack/herd double standard very interesting.......
ok....... as you were chaps............
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Jim Garten
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 03:41 |
Logos wrote:
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And this sums up a great deal of opinion - people want to believe in the paranormal, the supernatural, in God/s, in aliens; they want that reassurance that comes with knowledge that (to coin a cliche) we are not alone.
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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Jim Garten
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 03:38 |
clarke2001 wrote:
Astrology is one of the worst piles of rubbish ever invented by the human kind, and it should be banned by the law in all the countries. It's too bad that inquisition in the dark ages didn't made astrology extint - by using the pyres for those who had tried to earn something on poor, naive people, desperately searching for a luck in their cruel reality. |
You know, that attitude is so typical of a Libran! 
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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