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    Posted: June 06 2007 at 03:29
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:




Thanks to Mystic fred, i read this book.
This is rather good and i especially liked the beggining when Russ Andrews explain that a system is a chain where everything is equally important. I also liked that he advices to invest an important part of the budget in cables.

What i disliked is his lack of experience. For example he advices to use one dedicated power line for the system. That's good, better than zero, but he should
advice to use as many lines as possible, if possible one per device. Is it because he didn't tried himself?

He doesn't say much about vibration treatment, i was horrified to read about "blue tack" (a past used to glue posters), this is really something to avoid in a system, cause it's a soft mateer which traps vibrations.

So i'd say that's a good book to start for people like MER i.e who have to learn the basic laws of hifi and musicality. But our friend Russ has still a lot to learn.
And unfortunatly the Cardas brand with which he has a partneurship is not real great, with a too round/soft sound aesthetic and not only great products.

 
some very interesting points, Olivier, i am especially guilty of using blu-tack - if it wasn't for the good ol' blu my speakers would have crashed to the floor many times due to my  clumsiness Embarrassed i avoid using spikes as they drill their way into the bottom of the speakers.
 
i think they may have recommended using a dedicated power line/source for purity, the line would be uncluttered from interference - but for me using one socket and extension block close to all source units is the shortest, therefore the most economical, route? also i can't have lots of wires running across the floor -  it would frighten the cat .Confused
 
i don't know Cardas at all i must have missed them, RA especially recommends Kimber products.
 
 
pleased you enjoyed the book!
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2007 at 01:53
"So i'd say that's a good book to start for people like MER i.e who have to learn the basic laws of hifi and musicality."

Very nice try, but I'm not taking the bait. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2007 at 14:44



Thanks to Mystic fred, i read this book.
This is rather good and i especially liked the beggining when Russ Andrews explain that a system is a chain where everything is equally important. I also liked that he advices to invest an important part of the budget in cables.

What i disliked is his lack of experience. For example he advices to use one dedicated power line for the system. That's good, better than zero, but he should
advice to use as many lines as possible, if possible one per device. Is it because he didn't tried himself?

He doesn't say much about vibration treatment, i was horrified to read about "blue tack" (a past used to glue posters), this is really something to avoid in a system, cause it's a soft mateer which traps vibrations.

So i'd say that's a good book to start for people like MER i.e who have to learn the basic laws of hifi and musicality. But our friend Russ has still a lot to learn.
And unfortunatly the Cardas brand with which he has a partneurship is not real great, with a too round/soft sound aesthetic and not only great products.






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2007 at 23:41
my cords were freebies. when ya buy regular audio equipment  they come with patch cords.  Super hi end stuff doesn't ? Or the guy at sears throws them in._popupControl();

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2007 at 06:19
Yes please!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 14:21
the sound solutions book i thought you were referring to, you are welcome to borrow it, i can post it if you wish..?
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 13:07
What do you mean?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 11:18
[QUOTE=oliverstoned]Yes, let's call that "optimization"!
Do you own the book BTW?[/QUOTE]
 
yes, would you like to borrow it?Smile
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 07:11
Yes, let's call that "optimization"!
Do you own the book BTW?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 06:57
"It does not mention vib-cancelling accesories and power filters. "
 
these could be included in interconnect budget percentage...?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 05:47
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

Advice on hi-fi should be taken as guide, mains and signal interconnects are an extremely important factor, no good units will perform well with cheap interconnects, by allocating only 7% to interconnects it seems Robert Harley could learn something new!   the signal source is also crucial, and decent mid-fi quality speakers can really shine with excellent source components, so....based on average market prices quality amps and speakers can be bought quite reasonably..

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Digital Source<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">                   25%   </SPAN>

Pre-amplifier<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">   /                 

</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Power Amplifier<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">               25%</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>

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<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Loudspeakers<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">                    20%   </SPAN>

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I much agree with that. It does not mention vib-cancelling accesories and power filters.

Talking components, the most expensive elements are CD set up and preamplifier, whereas quality amps and speakers can be found at a fair price, as you say.

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Advice on hi-fi should be taken as  guide,  mains and signal interconnects are an extremely  important factor, no good units will perform well with cheap interconnects, by allocating only 7% to interconnects it seems Robert Harley could learn something new!   the signal source is also crucial, and decent mid-fi quality speakers can really shine with excellent source components, so....based on average market prices quality amps and speakers can be bought quite reasonably..
 
Cable / Interconnects          30 %
Digital Source                   25%   
Pre-amplifier   /                
Power Amplifier                25% 
 
Loudspeakers                    20%   
 
 
try reading this book...Wink
 
 
 
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Taking into account, my experience with cables it has been an unfair contest been the Blue Haaven's and my old $40 specials, there was a big difference to be heard. They are showing an increase in clarity. One of the main appeasing factors is it takes much grain out of high end trebles. I think this might be because it brings the bass forward more.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 03:46
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:


What about your new Nordost cables BTW?


They arrived the day before yesterday. I have only really had one proper listen, which was late last night (may not have been totally alert). I'm failing to see the complaint about harshness; I was playing 1/3 octave band which is a very atonal album and I found it gave the sound a greater depth. It should be interesting to make note of further differences as I give them a solid listening. But on first remarks, they were definately worth the step up.


So what's new with the cables?
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Originally posted by Flyingsod Flyingsod wrote:

 

 

Cable / Interconnects            0 %  yeah...0

 

 
Freebies? Home-made? What do you use?


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Pre-amplifier                    20 %

Power Amplifier               20 %

Digital Source                   13 %

Loudspeakers                     40 %

Cable / Interconnects            7 %

 

My figures are as follows:

 

Pre-amplifier                    25 %

Power Amplifier               25 %

Digital Source                   40 %

Loudspeakers                     10 %

Cable / Interconnects            0 %  yeah...0

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2007 at 05:48
that's obvious, and just my point. I could perhaps tell a drastic change in sound, if the previous sound signture was something that I've gotten used to for several days of listening.

sorry. we're completely off topic again. another thread for burn-in related matters.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2007 at 03:28
Originally posted by NilsTentacles NilsTentacles wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

...are they new? If it's the case, there's a run-in period.
My Stefanaudio art headphones cable needed nearly 100 hours!!


yeah, and after 100 hours, do you remember how it originally sounded? nah, I thoght so.



It rather that it's better and better hour after hour, it doesn't change suddently but progressively.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2007 at 15:07
Hmm...
 
Preamp 18%
Power 26%
CD 15%
Vinyl 26%
Speakers 10%
Cables 5%
 
Definitely the speakers need to be improved...
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2007 at 11:26
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

...are they new? If it's the case, there's a run-in period.
My Stefanaudio art headphones cable needed nearly 100 hours!!


yeah, and after 100 hours, do you remember how it originally sounded? nah, I thoght so.
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