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mystic fred
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Topic: Hi-fi - allocating budget to your kit Posted: June 06 2007 at 03:29 |
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some very interesting points, Olivier, i am especially guilty of using blu-tack - if it wasn't for the good ol' blu my speakers would have crashed to the floor many times due to my clumsiness i avoid using spikes as they drill their way into the bottom of the speakers.
i think they may have recommended using a dedicated power line/source for purity, the line would be uncluttered from interference - but for me using one socket and extension block close to all source units is the shortest, therefore the most economical, route? also i can't have lots of wires running across the floor - it would frighten the cat .
i don't know Cardas at all i must have missed them, RA especially recommends Kimber products.
pleased you enjoyed the book!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 06 2007 at 01:53 | |
"So i'd say that's a good book to start for people like MER i.e who have to learn the basic laws of hifi and musicality."
Very nice try, but I'm not taking the bait. |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: June 05 2007 at 14:44 | |
Thanks to Mystic fred, i read this book. This is rather good and i especially liked the beggining when Russ Andrews explain that a system is a chain where everything is equally important. I also liked that he advices to invest an important part of the budget in cables. What i disliked is his lack of experience. For example he advices to use one dedicated power line for the system. That's good, better than zero, but he should advice to use as many lines as possible, if possible one per device. Is it because he didn't tried himself? He doesn't say much about vibration treatment, i was horrified to read about "blue tack" (a past used to glue posters), this is really something to avoid in a system, cause it's a soft mateer which traps vibrations. So i'd say that's a good book to start for people like MER i.e who have to learn the basic laws of hifi and musicality. But our friend Russ has still a lot to learn. And unfortunatly the Cardas brand with which he has a partneurship is not real great, with a too round/soft sound aesthetic and not only great products. Edited by oliverstoned - June 05 2007 at 14:47 |
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Flyingsod
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Posted: May 02 2007 at 23:41 | |
my cords were freebies. when ya buy regular audio equipment they come with patch cords. Super hi end stuff doesn't ? Or the guy at sears throws them in._popupControl();
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oliverstoned
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Posted: May 01 2007 at 06:19 | |
Yes please!
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mystic fred
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Posted: April 30 2007 at 14:21 | |
the sound solutions book i thought you were referring to, you are welcome to borrow it, i can post it if you wish..?
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oliverstoned
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Posted: April 30 2007 at 13:07 | |
What do you mean?
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mystic fred
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Posted: April 30 2007 at 11:18 | |
[QUOTE=oliverstoned]Yes, let's call that "optimization"!
Do you own the book BTW?[/QUOTE] yes, would you like to borrow it?
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oliverstoned
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Posted: April 30 2007 at 07:11 | |
Yes, let's call that "optimization"!
Do you own the book BTW? Edited by oliverstoned - April 30 2007 at 07:12 |
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mystic fred
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Posted: April 30 2007 at 06:57 | |
"It does not mention vib-cancelling accesories and power filters. "
these could be included in interconnect budget percentage...?
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oliverstoned
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Posted: April 30 2007 at 05:47 | |
I much agree with that. It does not mention vib-cancelling accesories and power filters. Talking components, the most expensive elements are CD set up and preamplifier, whereas quality amps and speakers can be found at a fair price, as you say. |
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mystic fred
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Posted: April 30 2007 at 04:26 | |
Advice on hi-fi should be taken as guide, mains and signal interconnects are an extremely important factor, no good units will perform well with cheap interconnects, by allocating only 7% to interconnects it seems Robert Harley could learn something new! the signal source is also crucial, and decent mid-fi quality speakers can really shine with excellent source components, so....based on average market prices quality amps and speakers can be bought quite reasonably..
Cable / Interconnects
Digital Source 25%
Pre-amplifier /
Power Amplifier 25%
Loudspeakers 20%
try reading this book...
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Apsalar
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Posted: April 30 2007 at 04:08 | |
Taking into account, my experience with cables it has been an unfair contest been the Blue Haaven's and my old $40 specials, there was a big difference to be heard. They are showing an increase in clarity. One of the main appeasing factors is it takes much grain out of high end trebles. I think this might be because it brings the bass forward more.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: April 30 2007 at 03:46 | |
So what's new with the cables? |
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Posted: April 30 2007 at 01:04 | |
Freebies? Home-made? What do you use? Edited by Glueman - April 30 2007 at 01:09 |
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Flyingsod
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Posted: April 30 2007 at 00:15 | |
Pre-amplifier 20 % Power Amplifier 20 % Digital Source 13 % Loudspeakers 40 % Cable / Interconnects 7 % My figures are as follows: Pre-amplifier 25 % Power Amplifier 25 % Digital Source 40 % Loudspeakers 10 % Cable / Interconnects 0 % yeah...0 Edited by Flyingsod - April 30 2007 at 00:16 |
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NilsTentacles
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Posted: April 23 2007 at 05:48 | |
that's obvious, and just my point. I could perhaps tell a drastic change in sound, if the previous sound signture was something that I've gotten used to for several days of listening.
sorry. we're completely off topic again. another thread for burn-in related matters. |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: April 23 2007 at 03:28 | |
It rather that it's better and better hour after hour, it doesn't change suddently but progressively. |
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arcer
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Posted: April 22 2007 at 15:07 | |
Hmm...
Preamp 18%
Power 26%
CD 15%
Vinyl 26%
Speakers 10%
Cables 5%
Definitely the speakers need to be improved...
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NilsTentacles
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Posted: April 22 2007 at 11:26 | |
yeah, and after 100 hours, do you remember how it originally sounded? nah, I thoght so. |
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