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Dick Heath
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Topic: Favorite Keyboards/Sounds Posted: May 10 2004 at 13:47 |
What was the make of the Russian copy of of the Hammond B3 - which readily generated some interesting sounds of its own amongst bands allowed to practice on the east side of the old Iron Curtain? Check out Marian Varga with his early 70's Czech group Collegium Musicum for some excellent use.
Anybody heard both albums by the Russian band of the late 80's, Horizont: there is a radial difference between the keyboard sounds between the two albums?
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Posted: May 07 2004 at 17:22 |
As a classically trained pianist, I just love the sound of an 18' Steinway with the lid open.
As someone listening to keyboards and other electronic instruments I don't know the names of, let alone model numbers, I like;
Firth of Fifth - all superb keyboard sounds and playing.
Robbery, Assault and Battery - that solo just "does IT".
Hawkwinds "wibbly" sounds - especially on "Lighthouse" (Live 79 version).
The piano sound on "Drive My Car" by the Beatles is also one of my all-time favourite keyboard sounds - it's really dirty!
I am the proud owner of a Casio thing that has a full-sized touch-sensitive keyboard and sustain pedal. It has GM In, Out and Thru, so I use it to drive whatever sample bank I'm running through ACID or SONAR. Since both use *.wav format, I can make it sound like pretty much anything.
Of course, it'll never be as good as the real thing (acoustic or analog electronic instruments), but it's all I've got space for in my little house.
Still, I can whack it up and pretend I'm Rick Wakeman - although normally I content myself with Debussy, Beethoven or even my own compositions (if no-one else is in ).
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Posted: May 07 2004 at 16:41 |
yeh baby!! i got an L100 hammond on top of which sits the crumar on top of which sits a yamaha cs1x!! just been jammin with my mate on bass tryin to do "driving to amsterdam" by khan!! america by the nice(minus the flag burning!) and some of our own stuff. also(dont laugh) got a recorder and been blasting out "house of the king " by focus much to the amusement of my two teenage sons
well you got to forget about being all serious and responsible sometimes!
cheers
chris
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Aztech
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Posted: May 07 2004 at 15:33 |
I have no Hammond and have only seen the Crummar in picture.
What I do have Is :
A CAT (no not the one that meows !!!) Its is an old american copy of the VCS used by Pink Floyd ...i'm not 100% sure, but it has cool analog soundsproduced by 2 Oscillators
I also have an Ensonic EPS (A sampler) , Kursweil 1200 (88 Notes) and Yamaha DX7(A classic)
How about you guys what type of keyboards do you own ???
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Posted: May 07 2004 at 05:37 |
You HAVE of course, now got a Hammond, on which to perch the multiman, haven't you?
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bozzy
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Posted: May 07 2004 at 05:20 |
well i just got a crumar multiman s off ebay for £21!! 5 keys didnt work and all the sliders were crackly as anything but a quick clean and half a can of WD40 and everything working fine! haha. the piano and clavichord sound is terrible (as all reviews of it said they would be!) but the strings oh! think echoes by pink floyd and youre there. all ive got to do now is get my mates korg dw8000 off him and im almost satisfied (never!) off to fiddle with a silver cape and wizards hat now (shut the curtains!!)
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Posted: May 01 2004 at 01:17 |
raggy, your description of the hundred monks on "I": perfect. Great sound. The mixture of synth sounds at the beginning of the track "Incantation (Procession)" on that album is the business too.
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Posted: April 18 2004 at 11:20 |
As a bassist I know jack about the tech.spec. of the above mentioned keyboards I'm going to tailor the question thus; Favourite Keyboard sound on a prog tune?
On the opening to "Impact", track 1 of "I" by Patrick Moraz, there's a sound like a hundred monks saying "DOH!" Play this as loud as possible and your solar plexus disintigrates! On the inner sleeve (vinyl!) there is mention of a "Supersonic Vocaltron". I suspect some one got a tape of a hundred monks saying "DOH!" and stuck it in some poor unsuspecting Mellotron. I'll leave it to you ivory tinklers to enlighten me further.
I won't go on about Hammonds, IMO second only to the electric guitar in terms of importance to popular music.
Most gratuitous overuse of a Mellotron? Druid, "Toward the Sun".
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Posted: April 18 2004 at 08:29 |
You have mine & my wife's extreme sympathy - someone got 'your' minimoog for $50!!!!!!!!!! Get his name & my wife will send nasty thoughts to burn out his oscillators
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Aztech
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Posted: April 16 2004 at 15:11 |
Mellotron are very hard to come by.Here in montreal one of the keyboardist from Musical box (Don't know his name)had quite a few mellotrons he just went crazy and bought all he could get his hands on, over 10 units maybe 21 I don't remember I don't recall.
I myself have been trying to get an old minimoog at a descent price for the past 20 years and haven't succeeded . I almost had my dream minimoog: a musician friend of mine who worked at a music store said this looser walks in says he has a minimoog for sale. My friend keeps his calm and says sure bring it in .The guy doesn't come back for a long while.my friends tells me he finally found one for me I'm doing back flips ,dreaming about it .I was waiting and agonizing .My freind meets the guys a few months later and asks him so you still want to sell your minimoog ? And he says... oh I sold it already to a guy for $50 ARGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I still have nightmares about it !
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Posted: April 16 2004 at 14:17 |
ive got a couple of them old crappy analog 2 octave type mini synths with presets and things old casios ya know the sort, iwas thinkin of takin em to bits and making some kind of emerson ribbon controller with some copper self adhesive strip, be a laff if it worked, rigged up through an amp with distortion and some blue metallic trousers!
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Posted: April 16 2004 at 12:58 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Bozzy - welcome to the forum!
Nice to know you've got an L100 (lemme guess.... Ebay, right??) - all you need now is a Leslie 145 & you'll get that baby screamin'. I've only been learning since July of last year (1971 L122 & Leslie 145), but didn't have the advantage of already being a musician.
The keyboard I use for analogue sounds is a Yamaha DJX1 - it looks naff, but there are some serious saw-tooth wave form sounds there, good piano samples, a huge church organ sound & stacks more; all with full midi compatibility, pitch bend, sampling capability, 2 levels of arpeggiator & even a dinky little ribbon controller - all for only £45 from Ebay.... result!
All I need now is that elusive Mellotron...... |
Geez, Jim! Stop going on about your organ, and just leave it alone for a while, why don't you?
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Posted: April 16 2004 at 12:55 |
OK, Owl! No more pics of yer organ on here!
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: April 16 2004 at 11:19 |
Looks like I'll have to add bozzy to the Forum Supergroup.
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Posted: April 16 2004 at 07:01 |
You can usually get Leslies on Ebay, but as these are increasingly rare in decent condition, you'll usually pay £350+; Sharma's occasionally come up, too, but at considerably lower prices (usually around the £150 mark)
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bozzy
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Posted: April 16 2004 at 06:53 |
ha, glad to see others messin with the keys,if you want cheap hammonds, check your local free ad papers, lots are more or less givin them away on the stipulation that you collect! my mate plays bass you wanna hear the first 5 mins of pictures at an exhibition that weve got worked out, and some stuff by the nice.true what you say about the leslie tho, aint seen one of those or the sharman? leslie copies ggoin cheap yet
take care
chris
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Posted: April 16 2004 at 05:50 |
Bozzy - welcome to the forum!
Nice to know you've got an L100 (lemme guess.... Ebay, right??) - all you need now is a Leslie 145 & you'll get that baby screamin'. I've only been learning since July of last year (1971 L122 & Leslie 145), but didn't have the advantage of already being a musician.
The keyboard I use for analogue sounds is a Yamaha DJX1 - it looks naff, but there are some serious saw-tooth wave form sounds there, good piano samples, a huge church organ sound & stacks more; all with full midi compatibility, pitch bend, sampling capability, 2 levels of arpeggiator & even a dinky little ribbon controller - all for only £45 from Ebay.... result!
All I need now is that elusive Mellotron......
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bozzy
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Posted: April 16 2004 at 05:32 |
well ive caved in and bought a hammond L100 for 40 quid and a yamaha CS1X, can get some good analogue sounds from it and it doesnt drift out of tune like a jen sx1000 i had when i was 13!! ive been playing about 3 months now and not wanting to brag im gettin pretty darn good, ive really surprised myself( ive been playing guitar for over 20 yrs so its alot easier than starting from scratch!)the guitar is gatherin dust and every day im fiddling about with a synth atop a hammond! i love it, if you havent started you really should take the leap and start playing, youll surprise yourself
all the best
chris
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Posted: March 23 2004 at 15:26 |
I'm in the "uneducated" camp when it comes to makes and models of keyboards. I do however love the keyboard sound Caravan use on their albums. I've just got to hear the fist notes of the organ solo on "For Richard", and the hairs on the back of my neck are on end!
Honourable mention must also go to Rick Wakeman for the sound he gets for example on the synthesiser solo from "The revealing science of god" (Yes), and "The black knight" (Wakeman solo).
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Aztech
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Posted: March 23 2004 at 13:50 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Aztech wrote:
HI Jim,
I know the C3 : an electronic version of the B3 by korg I believe.
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This is sooooooooooo sad......
sorry Aztech, but I had to come back at you, the C3 is a Hammond, not a Korg (essentially a Hammond B3 but in what they called a 'Church Style' console) - Korg make (I believe) the CX3 & BX3, which are their Hammond clones, and very good in their way (certainly more portable!!!!), but not the real deal |
Whats so sad ???? nice of you to come back at me with the info but I did say "I believe" meaning I'm not sure... heck its been 20 years !!! but your right of course Korg made the B3 copy and yes its defenitely more portable.
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