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Chris H ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 08 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Status: Offline Points: 8191 |
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Who says its the same Todd Plant? Plant isnt really an uncommon surname in English speaking countries and Todd is quite a popular first name. And as long as the review meets the guidelines there should be no question about whether or not it should stay in the archives.
I think this discussion should be over now, right?
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kirklott ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 623 |
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Well, yes and no. The only reason we know he's the lead singer is because I pointed it out. It's not like he's Jon Anderson or Peter Gabriel and everyone knows his name. And he did not state who he is, so it's clearly a conflict of interests And as pointed out by others, there were other fake reviews under other names. |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Haven't read it really, I'm just giving my opinion based on the topic creator's original post. That's why I say "if it was a well-written review".... If it's just superlatives, it's a bad review and then it would't hurt to erase it, but because of the quality, not of the name of the writer.
EDIT: Now I have read it. Yes, it's a superlative-filled review, no question about that. But it IS decently written. It has coherence, good syntax, it doesn't look like the work of someone who failed the english course (many reviews do look like that). It has some rhythm, I think it's not a great review, but a competent one. I see the nickname is not Todd Plant but the original name. Maybe it IS him after all. But what's the crime? At least he wrote a good-sized review. He could've very well written a 51 word review and got away with it. And at least he's decent enough as to show his name in the review, so everybody that knows this band (like me) knows maybe it's the singer who's writing. I actually find that decent. What if there's more band-member reviews in PA, but we don't have a clue because the nicknames and original names are concealed? I actually applaud him for putting his name in front. Edited by The T - February 04 2007 at 13:30 |
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laplace ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 06 2005 Location: popupControl(); Status: Offline Points: 7606 |
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it was well-written? it's just a list of superlatives that a script could generate.
but I agree that there's no need to remove it. |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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I have seen some nicknames with names of legandary band members or something related... does that mean that those persons are indeed those represented in the nickname? Man! There's a guy called Dream Theater! Maybe it's the whole band that decided to post in PA as just one member! I think this is ridiculous. If there are persons out there who write such 5-star "fake" reviews, well, shame on them but in order to do that they at least had to support their arguments somehow, so the review, if it is coherent, isn't that FAKE after all. And if it's a band member, is is so preposterous? I really don't think any band will see PA as the one-and-only medium to get to sell thousands, if not millions of records. Besides, if the review was by a band member and it was well-written, do we lose anything with that? I prefer that review to those hate-driven reviews with no arguments and so poorly written that it seems a 8-year old was the author.
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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There's nothing to stop a member of a band reviewing his own album. There is no reason to call such a review a "fake".
In any event, the fact that the reviewer has chosen to use the name of one of the band members by no means guarantees that it is indeed that person.
We should not be too precious about the reviews, this site is open to all. As long as the reviews comply with the guidelines, they are as valid as any other.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21561 |
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BTW: If the review was really written by Todd Plant then it's not a fake. It's simply out of place, and will harm the reputation of the band ... if that's what they want, why stop them?
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Eetu Pellonpaa ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 17 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 4828 |
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It's impossible to separate corrupt 5 star reviews from sincere 5 star reviews case by case, but I think it would be good to remove all reviews without ratings and restrict such be given in the future. They do not bring anykind of informational extra content to the site IMO.
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andu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 27 2006 Location: Romania Status: Offline Points: 3089 |
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You got me: I must confess. All my reviews are such fakes.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29358 |
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I want all the fake 5 star reviews of DSOTM deleted.Must be tons of the things.
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rileydog22 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: August 24 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 8844 |
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The Whistler ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 30 2006 Location: LA, CA Status: Offline Points: 7113 |
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Well, think about it; when was the last time the Noobies released a bad album?
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rileydog22 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: August 24 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 8844 |
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What makes you think that? |
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The Whistler ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 30 2006 Location: LA, CA Status: Offline Points: 7113 |
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Gosh, that's sad...the band's frontman is desperately pushing his own little product...
But enough about that, let's talk about the Moody Noobs' upcoming EP! I hear it's gonna be killer!
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"There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Mellotron Storm ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 27 2006 Location: The Beach Status: Offline Points: 14026 |
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The other reviewer who gave it 5 stars also joined the same day he gave the review, and that was also his last visit.So good work kirklott for noticing that,they both should really be deleted in my opinion.
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rileydog22 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: August 24 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 8844 |
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If the band is so desperate they have to post fake reviews on a prog rock website, the record probably isn't that good.
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Mellotron Storm ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 27 2006 Location: The Beach Status: Offline Points: 14026 |
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mmm...he joined September 1/06,and his last visit was September i/06,to do this one review.It's just embarrasing really.For him that is.
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
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el böthy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 27 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6336 |
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Let´s hope I dont do the same thing ones our albums is released and gets into the archives...
![]() Na, you can count on it, I would never do such thing...well...maybe... |
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kirklott ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 623 |
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Here's a one way to try to filter real reviews from fakes: whether on Amazon or progarchives, etc., always check how many other reviews have been written by the reviewer. I never trust a review if it's the only one that person has ever written. If it's an anonymous review, don't trust it.
If they've only written a few other reviews, are they substantial - i.e. more than a few words each?
www.allmusic.com is also rapidly increasing its library of sound samples, although it can be hard to find some obscure prog bands. I also find that googling a band name and/or album name + MP3, you'll find a hit or two, no matter how obscure the band is. |
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kirklott ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 623 |
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Well, ok just for fun, here's the full review of Cryptic Visision's 2nd album, as written by the band's lead singer (who apparently thought no one figure it out, even though he posted the review under his real name)
I've bolded a few passages for fun. CRYPTIC VISION — In A WorldReview by Toddzirra (Todd Plant)
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