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wolf0621 
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Posted: May 03 2006 at 08:54 |
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wolf0621 wrote:
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Man Erg wrote:
Geck0 wrote:
There was also that classical piece performed recently, that was just silence. The orchestra was sat there, but nobody played anything, they were all sat in position, ready to play.I forget who the composer was, but it was rather controversial at the time (last year, if memory serves).So yes, these things have been tried (and gawped at). |
Composer was probably John Cage.4.3? of Silence.He (cleverly)claimed that wherever it was 'performed' it would sound different every time because of the ambience caused by the different audiences and venues it was 'performed' in . Genius! |
4'33" is scored for piano, believe it or not. However, I know that Cage wrote an extended version - by popular demand - and he may have re-scored it for orchestra. |
Sure, and I'm working on the version for tuba & trombones (they also won't be played but the instrument rental fees are a killer, as are the costs for polishing compounds)...The sheet music is also a mess, hard to tell where this thing begins & ends...I do think I have a handle on it though...Stay tuned |
Actually, it's not so hard - Cage marked each of the 3 movements very clearly in the score - and it fits nicely onto one page for the piano edition.
I guess the orchestral extended version must be radically different - he must have re-written it rather than re-scored it... |
Sounds like Cage was very neat...And the neighbors probably never complained for him to turn it down when he was rehearsing this...3 movements? Also sounds like he was pretty regular...
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 17:16 |
wolf0621 wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
Man Erg wrote:
Geck0 wrote:
There was also that classical piece performed recently, that was just silence. The orchestra was sat there, but nobody played anything, they were all sat in position, ready to play.I forget who the composer was, but it was rather controversial at the time (last year, if memory serves).So yes, these things have been tried (and gawped at). |
Composer was probably John Cage.4.3? of Silence.He (cleverly)claimed that wherever it was 'performed' it would sound different every time because of the ambience caused by the different audiences and venues it was 'performed' in . Genius! |
4'33" is scored for piano, believe it or not. However, I know that Cage wrote an extended version - by popular demand - and he may have re-scored it for orchestra. |
Sure, and I'm working on the version for tuba & trombones (they also won't be played but the instrument rental fees are a killer, as are the costs for polishing compounds)...The sheet music is also a mess, hard to tell where this thing begins & ends...I do think I have a handle on it though...Stay tuned |
Actually, it's not so hard - Cage marked each of the 3 movements very clearly in the score - and it fits nicely onto one page for the piano edition.
I guess the orchestral extended version must be radically different - he must have re-written it rather than re-scored it...
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wolf0621
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 17:38 |
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Well, see the positive side: AMERICAN IDOL is becoming SOPHISTICATED and COMPLEX! 
BTW, Peter, who's the favorite to win the American Idol contest?  |
My favorite Idol is Paula Abdul...She's got money, used to have (a little) talent, still looks OK & has an eye for the 18 year-old male contestants...It's great to tune in & guess which medication she on (or off) for any particular episode...Plus Simon is slowly torturing her into insanity...What's not to like...?
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wolf0621
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 17:34 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Man Erg wrote:
Geck0 wrote:
There was also that classical piece performed recently, that was just silence. The orchestra was sat there, but nobody played anything, they were all sat in position, ready to play.I forget who the composer was, but it was rather controversial at the time (last year, if memory serves).So yes, these things have been tried (and gawped at).
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Composer was probably John Cage.4.3? of Silence.He (cleverly)claimed that wherever it was 'performed' it would sound different every time because of the ambience caused by the different audiences and venues it was 'performed' in . Genius!
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4'33" is scored for piano, believe it or not.
However, I know that Cage wrote an extended version - by popular demand - and he may have re-scored it for orchestra.
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Sure, and I'm working on the version for tuba & trombones (they also won't be played but the instrument rental fees are a killer, as are the costs for polishing compounds)...The sheet music is also a mess, hard to tell where this thing begins & ends...I do think I have a handle on it though...Stay tuned
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 13:32 |
Man Erg wrote:
Geck0 wrote:
There was also that classical piece performed recently, that was just silence. The orchestra was sat there, but nobody played anything, they were all sat in position, ready to play.I forget who the composer was, but it was rather controversial at the time (last year, if memory serves).So yes, these things have been tried (and gawped at).
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Composer was probably John Cage.4.3? of Silence.He (cleverly)claimed that wherever it was 'performed' it would sound different every time because of the ambience caused by the different audiences and venues it was 'performed' in . Genius!
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4'33" is scored for piano, believe it or not.
However, I know that Cage wrote an extended version - by popular demand - and he may have re-scored it for orchestra.
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 06:14 |
Geck0 wrote:
There was also that classical piece performed recently, that was just silence. The orchestra was sat there, but nobody played anything, they were all sat in position, ready to play.I forget who the composer was, but it was rather controversial at the time (last year, if memory serves).So yes, these things have been tried (and gawped at).
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Composer was probably John Cage.4.3? of Silence.He (cleverly)claimed that wherever it was 'performed' it would sound different every time because of the ambience caused by the different audiences and venues it was 'performed' in . Genius!
Edited by Man Erg - May 01 2006 at 06:15
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Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 02:49 |
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There was also that classical piece performed recently, that was just silence. The orchestra was sat there, but nobody played anything, they were all sat in position, ready to play.
I forget who the composer was, but it was rather controversial at the time (last year, if memory serves).
So yes, these things have been tried (and gawped at).
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Posted: April 30 2006 at 16:45 |
Geck0 wrote:
How about my mysterious and invisible band that makes silent and invisible prog music? All our album covers are invisible too. That's what I call progression.Can my band be added therefore?
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I've been working on various ways of presenting silent music - so far, my best effort is a 41-hour epic, based on The Silence of the Lambs - but with added virtuosic quietness and complex but silent rhythms.
I was going to write a Funeral March for the Deaf, but since that wouldn't be a particularly P.C. thing to do, I gave up on the project. You can understand my amazement when I discovered that a guy has already written one - around the late 1800s.
His name was Alphonse Allais, in case you think I'm making this up.
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Posted: April 28 2006 at 22:12 |
Vompatti wrote:
All the American Idol contestants should now be added to prog-related-related, right? |
Why not ? It worked for George Michael !
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Fire up the flux capacitor ! We're taking this Delorean through all four dimensions.
What is the future of prog ? Genesis reunion ? I'm not telling!That could upset the thyme/space continuum.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: April 12 2006 at 16:04 |
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How about my mysterious and invisible band that makes silent and invisible prog music? All our album covers are invisible too. That's what I call progression.
Can my band be added therefore?
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Posted: April 12 2006 at 02:40 |
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All the American Idol contestants should now be added to prog-related-related, right?
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Posted: April 12 2006 at 01:22 |
Karaoke kids trying to sing Freddie Mercury songs??????
I'm not sure if Queen is Prog', and honestly don't care, but Freddie's voice is the best in the market, and the guy had something none of this kids will ever achieve PERSONALITY.
Iván
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Posted: April 12 2006 at 00:21 |
Atkingani wrote:
Well, see the positive side: AMERICAN IDOL is becoming SOPHISTICATED and COMPLEX!
BTW, Peter, who's the favorite to win the American Idol contest?
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Where I live, Queen is a favorite band of all walks of stupid life (jocks, ditsy girls, etc) so American Idol catering to that crowd is more or less a ratings grab. I find their music rediculous and hardly listenable. 
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Posted: April 11 2006 at 22:09 |
Well, see the positive side: AMERICAN IDOL is becoming SOPHISTICATED and COMPLEX!
BTW, Peter, who's the favorite to win the American Idol contest?
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Peter
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Posted: April 11 2006 at 21:57 |
Trotsky wrote:
Even if one believes that the multi-part segments, changes of time signature and key, plus unusual (if nonsensical) lyrics of Bohemian Rhapsody doesn't qualify as prog-rock ... which if emphatically does IMO, it surely is an extraordinary song that ought to open a listener's ears ...
BTW, I see from your sig that you are quite the reality show, fan! 
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Says you! 
Huh?
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: April 11 2006 at 21:53 |
Even if one believes that the multi-part segments, changes of time signature and key, plus unusual (if nonsensical) lyrics of Bohemian Rhapsody doesn't qualify as prog-rock ... which if emphatically does IMO, it surely is an extraordinary song that ought to open a listener's ears ... BTW, I see from your sig that you are quite the reality show, fan!
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"Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.”
"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."
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Peter
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Posted: April 11 2006 at 21:50 |
Seriously... not serious.
Alternately, Trotters, Bohemian Crapsody just might not be really prog....
Gasp! The Horror!
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Ty1020
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Posted: April 11 2006 at 21:43 |
I saw the show... hey, at least somebody did Innuendo  .
Overall it was pretty bad, but that's to be expected... I really have
no problem with them covering Queen songs, or any songs for that
matter. If they wanted to sing Gentle Giant then more power to them, at
least some halfway decent music is getting played this week.
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Posted: April 11 2006 at 21:39 |
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Seriously ... it doesn't bother me in the least ... Queen had a few important progressive moments earlier in their career (most importantly IMO Bohemian Rhapsody) ... but left it behind to create huge dollops of catchy pop/rock
Would it change Yes' and Genesis' standing here if somebody covered Owner Of A Lonely Heart or Invisible Touch during 80s week or night or whatever it is (I bow to your expertise in the reality show department!)?
Some prog-rock was commercially successful ... some prog-rock bands became commercially successful after abandoning prog ... the exposure might even be good if just a handful of people decide to pick up Queen's Greatest Hits and get hooked on Bohemian Rhapsody and that opens their ears to prog-rock!
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"Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.”
"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."
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Peter
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Posted: April 11 2006 at 21:32 |
^  Ha! I expected something like that, Trots!
(Truth be told, I was merely walking through the room where my 12 year old daughter was watching the show. I watch hardly any TV, least of all "reality" shows. )
Still, the implications of their being featured are more than a trifle disturbing, methinks:
Who messed up -- us or them?
Who understands their demographic better?
Will my 12 year old join here next?
These are just a few of the weighty and troubling issues we are now forced to confront. Strange times, my proghole pals, strange times indeed....
Edited by Peter Rideout
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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