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erik neuteboom
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Topic: Favorite Marillion Track Lyrically? Posted: March 01 2006 at 04:59 |
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 17:51 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
On stage Fish explained many times the Forgotton
Sons lyrics, on the DVD Recital Of The Script you can witness this.
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well he didn`t explain them on stage when I saw
Marillion play the Spectrum in Montreal in 1982 I think it was. I guess
I`ll have to go and buy the DVD! I particularily like the live version
though.
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 17:43 |
On stage Fish explained many times the Forgotton Sons lyrics, on the DVD Recital Of The Script you can witness this. Very emotional!
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 17:37 |
I can`t believe you guys wrote out complete song lyrics, I mean we all know the lyrics.
Anyway, my favourite is Forgotten Sons. I`m not sure presicely what
it`s about but it could be about the situation in Northern Ireland at
the time or influenced by the Falklands conflict. It certainly comments
on politcians sending young men senselessly to war.
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 13:32 |
Oh my god, what a hard choice to make... Fish wrote perfect lyrics for Marillion, as does H and John Helmer... there's quite too much great stuff to mention... "Drilling Holes" goes through my head right now... "We ate on the lawn with the insects, we burned incense... " oh my god, that's divine, innit ? But "Enlightened" is probably one of the best lyrics ever written about sex by a man !
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Posted: February 23 2006 at 14:37 |
Jeez, I love them all...
Neverland and Living With the Big Lie really stick out.
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Posted: February 23 2006 at 02:18 |
Nipsey88 wrote:
As far as Hogarth goes, shrug. Dunno too much by him, but I guess I like Living With The Big Lie.
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My favorite Hogarth song along with Gazpacho
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:59 |
Ahh, a thread about one of my favorite lyricists, the mighty Fish.
I think his best (with Marillion) are Hotel Hobbies/Warm Wet Circles/That Time of the
Night, Fugazi, and Last Straw. Actually, the entire Clutching album is
freakin' sweet and is probably lyrically my favorite all-time album.
My fave solo Fish lyric is probably Goldfish & Clowns. That song
always gives me chills. Maybe its cuz I dated a girl named Mawgojzeta.
As far as Hogarth goes, shrug. Dunno too much by him, but I guess I like Living With The Big Lie.
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:54 |
Certif1ed wrote:
ClemofNazareth wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
There can be only one...
FUGAZI
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"Pandora’s box of holocausts gracefully cruising satellite infested heavens"
"Aural contraceptive aborting pregnant conversation, She turned the harpoon and it pierced my heart"
Awesome lyrics in "Fugazi", to be sure, but a bit over-the-top at times.
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I agree completely with what you're saying about "Forgotten Sons" - that would be #2 on my list.
But "Fugazi" is supposed to be over the top - consider what the word "Fugazi" means.
The "Pandora's box..." line refers to the nuclear-paranoid 1980s, which people seem to forget or have grown up blissfully ignorant of, especially since the cold war ended - the "Taped up painted windows refers to the very useful advice that the government used to give us as protection from a nuclear blast. "Season of the button" refers to the button that needs to be pressed in order to fire off a nuclear ICBM - but is also an archetype. We're just waiting for someone to press it - when rather than if.
The nuclear threat is just as real, if not more so today from terrorists and so on - we've just learned to live with it. The whole current Iran affair is amusing in a bitterly ironic sort of way, especially when you know how the U.N. and particularly the U.S. know about Iran's capabilities and why they are so worried... how many people are aware of this? High (or low)-fibre ignorance - filtered newspapers only reporting what they can get past the censors or what their political slants allow them to.
Son watches father scan obituary columns in search of absent school friends While his generation digests high fibre ignorance Cowering behind curtains and the taped up painted windows Decriminalised genocide, provided door to door Belsens Pandora's box of holocausts gracefully cruising satellite infested heavens Waiting, wai-wai-waiting, the season of the button The penultimate migration Radioactive perfumes For the fashionably For the terminally insane, insane D-d-do you realise? D-d-do you realise? D-d-do you realise, this world is totally fugazi
That lot is still just as relevant as "Forgotten Sons", IMO 
The next lines you quote really require the full context - there's a double-story going on here, with double meanings in all the lyrics, which make it fairly impenetrable - but Tony R (alias Reed Lover) did a superb job on interpreting them a while back (you might find it if you search ).
Vodka intimate, an affair with isolation in a blackheath cell Extinguishing the fires in a private hell Provoking the heartache to renew the licence Of a bleeding heart poet in a fragile capsule Propping up the crust of the glitter conscience Wrapped in the christening shawl of a hangover Baptised in the tears from the real Tears from the real
Drowning in the liquid seize on the Piccadilly line, rat race Scuttling through the damp electric labyrinth Caress Ophelias hand with breathstroke ambition An albatross in the marrytime tradition Sheathed within the walkman wear the halo of distortion Aural contraceptive aborting pregnant conversation She turned the harpoon and it pierced my heart She hung herself around my neck
From the Time-Life-Guardians in their conscience bubbles Safe and dry in my sea of troubles Nine to five with suitable ties Cast adrift as their sideshow, peepshow, stereo hero Becalm bestill, bewitch Drowning in the real
These verses are all related and make a story of sorts - the immediate internal meanderings of the protaganist as he awakens with a hangover and goes through a process of self-remembrance, then catches a tube train. This is combined with his own views of the reality he has woken up to, and a relating of his deeper, ongoing thoughts about his relationship with archetypes found in literature.
I'm fairly sure that the line should read "Caress Ophelias hand with breaststroke ambition - an albatross in the marrytime tradition" - these lines combine Shakespeare (Hamlet) with Coleridge's "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" - to reflect his view of his current relationship.
The line about "Aural contraception..." simply refers to the fact that he's listening to his personal stereo/mobile music device, but probably also reflect a deeper desire to be able to shut out other, possibly relationship derived conversations that are getting to him. The sexual connotations are therefore deliberate and not contrived - and are supposed to feel uncomfortable.
The rest of the song sees the protaganist taking in his surroudings and considering world matters at large, especially the nuclear threat, related with Fish's typical sardonic irony until the (non-ironic) climax in the questions;
Where are the prophets? Where are the visionaries? Where are the poets To breach the dawn of the sentimental mercenary?
...and that's just scratching the surface 
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Actually, I did not know what Fugazi meant until you just mentioned this, so I went and looked it up. Interesting. Similar to the American equivalent FUBAR, I suppose. Thanks for the insight - I'm playing Fugazi right now with this in mind.
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Dr Know
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 21:38 |
Chelsea Monday
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Fugazi
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 15:08 |
Fish -- Warm Wet Circles
H -- Gazpacho
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 14:14 |
Oh Gid this is a big list
- Firgotten Sons
- second half of Fugazi
- Emerald Lies
- White Feather
- The Last Straw
- White Russian
- Berlin
- The Space...
- Living With The Big Lie
- Hard As Love
- The Invisable Man
- Neverland
- The Party
Dont know too many other Hogarth era songs but theres nothing in it from this list.
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 14:06 |
incubus:
When footlights dim in reverence to prescient passion forewarned My audience leaves the stage, floating ahead perfumed shift Within the stammering silence, the face that launched a thousand frames Betrayed by a porcelain tear, a stained career You played this scene before, you played this scene before I the mote in your eye, I the mote in your eye A misplaced reaction
The darkroom unleashes imagination in pornographic images In which you will always be the star, always be the star, untouchable Unapproachable, constant in the darkness Nursing an erection, a misplaced reaction With no flower to place before this gravestone And the walls become enticingly newspaper thin But that would be developing the negative view And you have to be exposed in voyeuristic colour The public act, let you model your shame On the mannequin catwalk, catwalk Let the cats walk, and the cat walks
I've played this scene before, I've played this scene before I the mote in your eye, I the mote in your eye A misplaced reaction, satisfaction
You can't brush me under the carpet, you can't hide me under the stairs The custodian of your private fears, your leading actor of yesteryear Who as you crawled out of the alleys of obscurity Sentenced to rejection in the morass of anonymity You who I directed with lovers will, you who I let hypnotise the lens You who I let bathe in the spotlights glare You who wiped me from your memory like a greasepaint mask Just like a greasepaint mask
But now I'm the snake in the grass, the ghost of film reels past I'm the producer of your nightmare and the performance has just begun It's just begun
Your perimeter of courtiers jerk like celluloid puppets As you stutter paralysed with rabbits eyes, searing the shadows Flooding the wings, to pluck elusive salvation from the understudy's lips Retrieve the soliloquy, maintain the obituary My cue line in the last act and you wait in silent solitude Waiting for the prompt, waiting for the prompt
You've played this scene before
fugazi:
Vodka intimate, an affair with isolation in a Blackheath cell Extinguishing the fires in a private hell Provoking the heartache to renew the licence Of a bleeding heart poet in a fragile capsule Propping up the crust of the glitter conscience Wrapped in the christening shawl of a hangover Baptised in the tears from the real Drowning in the liquid seize on the Piccadilly line, rat race Scuttling through the damp electric labyrinth Caress Ophelia's hand with breathstroke ambition An albatross in the marrytime tradition Sheathed within the Walkman wear the halo of distortion Aural contraceptive aborting pregnant conversation She turned the harpoon and it pierced my heart She hung herself around my neck
From the Time-Life-Guardians in their conscience bubbles Safe and dry in my sea of troubles Nine to five with suitable ties Cast adrift as their side-show, peepshow, stereo hero Becalm bestill, bewitch, drowning in the real
The thief of Baghdad hides in Islington now Praying deportation for his sacred cow A legacy of romance from a twilight world The dowry of a relative mystery girl A Vietnamese flower, a Dockland union A mistress of release from a magazine's thighs Magdalenes contracts more than favours The feeding hands of western promise hold her by the throat
A son of a swastika of '45 parading a peroxide standard Graffiti conjure disciples testaments of hatred Aerosol wands whisper where the searchlights trim the barbed wire hedges This is Brixton chess
A knight for Embankment folds his newspaper castle A creature of habit, begs the boatman's coin He'll fade with old soldiers in the grease stained roll call And linger with the heartburn of Good Friday's last supper
Son watches father scan obituary columns in search of absent school friends While his generation digests high fibre ignorance Cowering behind curtains and the taped up painted windows Decriminalised genocide, provided door to door Belsens Pandora's box of holocausts gracefully cruising satellite infested heavens Waiting, the season of the button, the penultimate migration Radioactive perfumes, for the fashionably, for the terminally insane, insane Do you realise? Do you realise? Do you realise, this world is totally fugazi
Where are the prophets, where are the visionaries, where are the poets To breach the dawn of the sentimental mercenary
emerald lies:
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To be the prince of possession in the gallery of contempt Suffering your indiscreet discretions and you ask me to relent As you accumulate flirtations with the calculated calmness of the whore I am the harlequin - diamonded costume dripping shades of green I am the harlequin - sense strangers violate my sanctuary Prowl my dreams Plundering your diaries, I'll steal your thoughts innocence Ravaging your letters, unearth your plots innocence To don the robes of Torquemada, resurrect the inquisition In that tortured subtle manner inflict questions within questions Looking in shades of green through shades of blue I trust you trust in me to mistrust you
Through the Silk Cut haze to the smeared mascara A 40 watt sun on a courtroom drama And the coffee stains gather till the pale kimono Set the wedding rings dancing on the cold linoleum
And accusations moths that circle on the light Char their wings and spiral senseless suicidal flight You packed your world within a suitcase, hot tears melt this icy palace Dissolve a crystal swallowed by the night Looking in shades of green through shades of blue Looking in shades of green through shades of blue
assassin:
I am the assassin, with tongue forged from eloquence I am the assassin, providing your nemesis On the sacrificial altar to success, my friend Unleash a stranger from a kiss, my friend No incantations of remorse, my friend Unsheathe the blade within the voice, my friend
Who decorates the scarf with the fugi knot Who camouflaged emotion in a thousand yard stare Who gouged the notches from the family tree Who hypnotised the guilt in career rhythm trance
Assassing, assassing, assassing, assassing
Listen as the syllables of slaughter cat with calm precision Patterned frosty phrases rape your ears and sow the ice incision Apocalyptic alphabet casting spell the creed of tempered diction Adjectives of annihilation bury the point beyond redemption Venomous verbs of ruthless candour plagiarise assassins fervour A friend in need is a friend that bleeds Let bitter silence infect the wound
You were a sentimental mercenary in a free fire zone Parading a Hollywood conscience You were a fashionable objector with a uniform fetish Pavlovian slaver at the cash till ring of success A non com observer - I assassin the collector - defector
So you resigned yourself to failure, my friend And I emerged the chilling stranger, my friend To eradicate the problem, my friend Unsheathe the blade within the voice
I am the assassin I am the assassin
And what do you call assassins who accuse assassins anyway, my friend?
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 12:48 |
Fish-era: wonderful poetical lines in Chelsea Monday and venomous anger in Forgotton Sons !
Hogarth-era: ...
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 12:44 |
I will have to say Fugazi. Is just so damn clever and passionate. Jigsaw is a confussing but clever lyric too and Esmerald Lies is just brilliant.
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For most it does not come easily
For some it comes with pain
From a thought to a living sight
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 12:40 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Fish era - Chelsea or Script
Hogarth era (but I payed much less attention to their lyrics as well as their music during those years) - King or Estonia
I always found Chelsea monday way under-rated by fans on their debut album
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Yeah Chelsea Monday has always been an Script underated song, and I come to think as the most moving piece in the album. Is just so depressive.
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For most it does not come easily
For some it comes with pain
From a thought to a living sight
For some it's a life for some a game
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 09:38 |
Fish era ... Blind curve 
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 09:17 |
Fish era: Childhood's End for me, from Misplaced Childhood.
One of my favourite tracks ever, lyrically (musically it's very good, too).
Hogarth Era: Hollow Men, from Brave
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 08:31 |
Fish era - Chelsea or Script
Hogarth era (but I payed much less attention to their lyrics as well as their music during those years) - King or Estonia
I always found Chelsea monday way under-rated by fans on their debut album
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: February 22 2006 at 08:17 |
ClemofNazareth wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
There can be only one...
FUGAZI
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"Pandora’s box of holocausts gracefully cruising satellite infested heavens"
"Aural contraceptive aborting pregnant conversation, She turned the harpoon and it pierced my heart"
Awesome lyrics in "Fugazi", to be sure, but a bit over-the-top at times.
(...)
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I agree completely with what you're saying about "Forgotten Sons" - that would be #2 on my list.
But "Fugazi" is supposed to be over the top - consider what the word "Fugazi" means.
The "Pandora's box..." line refers to the nuclear-paranoid 1980s, which people seem to forget or have grown up blissfully ignorant of, especially since the cold war ended - the "Taped up painted windows refers to the very useful advice that the government used to give us as protection from a nuclear blast. "Season of the button" refers to the button that needs to be pressed in order to fire off a nuclear ICBM - but is also an archetype. We're just waiting for someone to press it - when rather than if.
The nuclear threat is just as real, if not more so today from terrorists and so on - we've just learned to live with it. The whole current Iran affair is amusing in a bitterly ironic sort of way, especially when you know how the U.N. and particularly the U.S. know about Iran's capabilities and why they are so worried... how many people are aware of this? High (or low)-fibre ignorance - filtered newspapers only reporting what they can get past the censors or what their political slants allow them to.
Son watches father scan obituary columns in search of absent school friends While his generation digests high fibre ignorance Cowering behind curtains and the taped up painted windows Decriminalised genocide, provided door to door Belsens Pandora's box of holocausts gracefully cruising satellite infested heavens Waiting, wai-wai-waiting, the season of the button The penultimate migration Radioactive perfumes For the fashionably For the terminally insane, insane D-d-do you realise? D-d-do you realise? D-d-do you realise, this world is totally fugazi
That lot is still just as relevant as "Forgotten Sons", IMO 
The next lines you quote really require the full context - there's a double-story going on here, with double meanings in all the lyrics, which make it fairly impenetrable - but Tony R (alias Reed Lover) did a superb job on interpreting them a while back (you might find it if you search ).
Vodka intimate, an affair with isolation in a blackheath cell Extinguishing the fires in a private hell Provoking the heartache to renew the licence Of a bleeding heart poet in a fragile capsule Propping up the crust of the glitter conscience Wrapped in the christening shawl of a hangover Baptised in the tears from the real Tears from the real
Drowning in the liquid seize on the Piccadilly line, rat race Scuttling through the damp electric labyrinth Caress Ophelias hand with breathstroke ambition An albatross in the marrytime tradition Sheathed within the walkman wear the halo of distortion Aural contraceptive aborting pregnant conversation She turned the harpoon and it pierced my heart She hung herself around my neck
From the Time-Life-Guardians in their conscience bubbles Safe and dry in my sea of troubles Nine to five with suitable ties Cast adrift as their sideshow, peepshow, stereo hero Becalm bestill, bewitch Drowning in the real
These verses are all related and make a story of sorts - the immediate internal meanderings of the protaganist as he awakens with a hangover and goes through a process of self-remembrance, then catches a tube train. This is combined with his own views of the reality he has woken up to, and a relating of his deeper, ongoing thoughts about his relationship with archetypes found in literature.
I'm fairly sure that the line should read "Caress Ophelias hand with breaststroke ambition - an albatross in the marrytime tradition" - these lines combine Shakespeare (Hamlet) with Coleridge's "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" - to reflect his view of his current relationship.
The line about "Aural contraception..." simply refers to the fact that he's listening to his personal stereo/mobile music device, but probably also reflect a deeper desire to be able to shut out other, possibly relationship derived conversations that are getting to him. The sexual connotations are therefore deliberate and not contrived - and are supposed to feel uncomfortable.
The rest of the song sees the protaganist taking in his surroudings and considering world matters at large, especially the nuclear threat, related with Fish's typical sardonic irony until the (non-ironic) climax in the questions;
Where are the prophets? Where are the visionaries? Where are the poets To breach the dawn of the sentimental mercenary?
...and that's just scratching the surface 
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