Progressive Alternative Rock?

aapatsos wrote: I believe that there can be a term 'alternative progressive rock' but I haven't heard any band that meets this term

How about Dredg?

I don't know too much about the term alternative wich i think is very meaningless, bands like green day or limp bizquit are considered alternative so what the hell is alternative?

However, the complete term PAR, could helps to classify bands that are in the complex and too general term called Art Rock.

BaldJean wrote: GoldenSpiral wrote: The term "Alternative Rock" was coined to describe pretty much any band that was not part of the pop scene going on at any particular time... so then I think by definition, Prog rock is Alternative... exactly my opinion, GoldenSpiral

The first band I remember being called alternative was REM around 85 or so (REM which were also called Indie Rock since they were on a super small label). But soon, they were taking the world by storm and by the end of the decade were anything but outside the pop scene since they were leading.

The term stayed with them (REM) and started applying to all of those Britpop groups I mentioned above, since then.

And GS, you make an excellent statement : prog is alternative

But , Alternative is not prog

Sean Trane wrote: ^^^^^Actually Mike, I was not throwing those bands at you in a way to demean you, but simply to state that those bands also have that Etiquette and some might just use that to have them in> In no way was I implying you would do so, either.

I remember some threads about Pulp or Suede ... but I don't think that anyone ever suggested Oasis.

But I know what you're getting at.

^^^^^Actually Mike,

I was not throwing those bands at you in a way to demean you, but simply to state that those bands also have that Etiquette and some might just use that to have them in>

In no way was I implying you would do so, either.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Sean Trane wrote: well MeR, You know my opinion on this! To me alternative rock with progressive tinges deserve to be included in Prog-related>> remember Radiohead which I think should not be anything else than Prog-related I thought about Radiohead - and unless we take the discussion down to the album level, I think we won't find a real agreement here. Sean Trane wrote: but in no way should the Alternative rock even with the word progressive be included because this would open the door to stuff like Oasis, Blur, Pulp, Suede, REM, and even the groups included in Indie rock (since independant label rock and alternative rock are too similar) Why do you throw a lot of bands at me here which are not progressive? I agree that Alternative/Independent is pretty much the same thing though. The difficult part is to determine which of these bands are really progressive. I'm not sure if it's "doable" ... that's why I created this poll.

Not wishing to seem pedantic, Mike, but Independant often has no connection to 'Alternative' Independant merely refers to whether or not an artist is tied to a big label with a binding contract. For the first three years of her music career Kylie Minogue was an 'Indie' artist, and would chart alongside The Smiths, The Cardiacs and Fields of the Nephilim in the NME Indie charts...

With regard to where alt becomes prog, the lines are generally blurred IMO, but I think there are a few measures. For example, does the music in question lean heavier on punk as it's foundation or rock? If the latter, then take it to the next level. Does the music in question lean toward rock 'n' roll, blues, Heavy Metal or a fusion of different types of rock. It's not water tight, but I think it's a reasonable approach to deciding whether a band has any prog credentials at all.