| Author |
 Topic Search  Topic Options
|
Progladyte 
Forum Groupie
Joined: October 09 2004
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 53
|
 Topic: Burned CD’s short lifespan.
Posted: May 28 2006 at 02:17 |
I now use Taiyo Yuden CDR discs exclusively as they also boast a 100 year guarantee. I have never had a failure with them. If I'm still around to complain about a damaged disc in 90 or so years, I'd have to say I would have got plenty of good mileage out of those blanks. They use the best quality inks and dyes and seem to be indestructible as far as musical content is concerned.
My best advice to ensure longevity for all your CDR burning issues:
1. Use quality media only
2. Burn at the slowest possible speed - i.e. 2 x speed or 4 x speed only. (surprised no-one has raised this point already).
|
 |
goose
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 20 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 4097
|
Posted: January 12 2006 at 14:45 |
|
There's no issue with CDs becoming obsolete, because even if they are there's no reason for the optical disc drives to stop supporting it (how many DVD drives don't play CD or VCD these days? And how many people use VCD?). Provided the dimensions stay the same, it's so little work to include backwards compatibility that there's no good reason not to.
|
|
krusty
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 27 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 1777
|
Posted: January 12 2006 at 13:46 |
 Tony R wrote:
krusty wrote:
Tony R wrote:
There is no chance that CDs and DVDs will be obsolete in 30 years.Whether they are still desirable is another matter. |
mmmm, bold statement at the end there
I remember Bill Gates stating no one would need more than 640Kb of RAM
|
People still play LPs the technology is over 100 yrs old,they still
use tapes for recording music,of course we'll still be using our CDs in
30 years time...I mean Sony only stopped producing Betamax Decks in
2002!! |
Yep, very true. Although these older technologies incure a premium now because of limited demand.
I didn't know that Betamax made it to 2002!!  Perhaps I could transfer my Betamax videos to PC and/or DVD then?
Edited by krusty - May 30 2006 at 06:33
|
|
|
|
Tony R
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: July 16 2004
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 11979
|
Posted: January 12 2006 at 12:42 |
krusty wrote:
Tony R wrote:
There is no chance that CDs and DVDs will be obsolete in 30 years.Whether they are still desirable is another matter. |
mmmm, bold statement at the end there
I remember Bill Gates stating no one would need more than 640Kb of RAM
|
People still play LPs the technology is over 100 yrs old,they still use tapes for recording music,of course we'll still be using our CDs in 30 years time...I mean Sony only stopped producing Betamax Decks in 2002!!
|
|
krusty
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 27 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 1777
|
Posted: January 12 2006 at 11:44 |
Tony R wrote:
krusty wrote:
I am guilty of buying cheap unbranded CDR's to backup CD's or put MP3's onto, I have been using DVD-R's for a while now but I should imagine they will suffer the same degradation.
Chopper raises an interesting point though, will there be audio cd, dvd or mp3 players in 10yrs time anyway.
I have a cupboard full of betamax videos that I can no longer play (yes I bought a betamax )
On the videos are lots of Old Grey Whistle Test performancies (Fairport Convention, King Crimson, Rory Gallagher, Captain Beefhart, etc) plus some tube episodes and because I don't have a player, I can't watch them
This is what could happen in the future, as Chopper said with your favorite tunes or your family video, you may still have the media but no device to play it!
|
The betamax tapes can be transferred to VHS. There are places that will do this for you and I am pretty certain that you can buy something that will allow you to do it at home.
The Betamax Vs VHS incompatibility is unusual.There was a problem foreseen because of the +R and -R formats of DVDs but most players accept both and most burners can use either format.No doubt the same thing will happen with Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.
There is no chance that CDs and DVDs will be obsolete in 30 years.Whether they are still desirable is another matter. |
mmmm, bold statement at the end there I remember Bill Gates stating no one would need more than 640Kb of RAM I think Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will be the last iteration of optical storage in disk form. Future storage will be solid state memory and probably look a lot like credit/smart cards. Just a guess, but likely. I do agree about the VHS Vs Betamax being unusual and the possibility of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD co-exsiting for some time, as both camps are set to release there products this year.
|
|
|
|
Tony R
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: July 16 2004
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 11979
|
Posted: January 12 2006 at 11:22 |
krusty wrote:
I am guilty of buying cheap unbranded CDR's to backup CD's or put MP3's onto, I have been using DVD-R's for a while now but I should imagine they will suffer the same degradation.
Chopper raises an interesting point though, will there be audio cd, dvd or mp3 players in 10yrs time anyway.
I have a cupboard full of betamax videos that I can no longer play (yes I bought a betamax)
On the videos are lots of Old Grey Whistle Test performancies (Fairport Convention, King Crimson, Rory Gallagher, Captain Beefhart, etc) plus some tube episodes and because I don't have a player, I can't watch them
This is what could happen in the future, as Chopper said with your favorite tunes or your family video, you may still have the media but no device to play it!
|
The betamax tapes can be transferred to VHS. There are places that will do this for you and I am pretty certain that you can buy something that will allow you to do it at home.
The Betamax Vs VHS incompatibility is unusual.There was a problem foreseen because of the +R and -R formats of DVDs but most players accept both and most burners can use either format.No doubt the same thing will happen with Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.
There is no chance that CDs and DVDs will be obsolete in 30 years.Whether they are still desirable is another matter.
|
|
JayDee
Forum Senior Member
VIP Member
Joined: September 07 2005
Location: Elysian Fields
Status: Offline
Points: 10063
|
Posted: January 12 2006 at 09:19 |
King of Loss wrote:
Now you know what this means?
My 650 burned cds will rot!  
|
this means were both dead,
or am i the only one?
|
|
|
|
Bob Greece
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 04 2005
Location: Greece
Status: Offline
Points: 1823
|
Posted: January 12 2006 at 09:08 |
chopper wrote:
How do Verbatim know that their CDs will last for "up to 100 years"?
|
I think they work on the assumption that if something goes wrong you
- will have forgotten about the guarantee
- never knew about it in the first place
- won't know how to go about getting a replacement
- couldn't be bothered to send the CDs back
- won't have any means to play CDs anyway
chopper wrote:
This is a general worry of the digital age. Even if a CD with some MP3 files on it does last for, say, 10 or 20 years, how do we know we'll still have the technology around then to play them? The same thing goes for all my family videos.
|
You probably won't be able to find a CD player that plays MP3 but MP3 has one big advantage over previous storage methods - it's the first software storage method and the previous methods were all hardware based so it should be easier to copy and replay MP3 in future than it is to copy and replay LPs. The same goes for MPEG videos.
Edited by Bob Greece
|
|
|
|
MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: April 22 2005
Location: Sweden
Status: Offline
Points: 21206
|
Posted: January 12 2006 at 08:47 |
I don't use CDs or DVDs for these purposes anymore. If you burned a lot of audio CDs, the best solution would be to make backups by ripping them in a lossless format and storing the files on DVDs. If you use the Windows Media Player (wma lossless), you'll always be able to copy them from the DVD to the harddisk and then burn them again.
And be sure to copy the DVDs each year, just to be on the safe side.
|
|
|
|
goose
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 20 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 4097
|
Posted: January 11 2006 at 20:11 |
Suki wrote:
krusty wrote:
I am guilty of buying cheap unbranded CDR's to backup CD's or put MP3's onto, I have been using DVD-R's for a while now but I should imagine they will suffer the same degradation.Chopper raises an interesting point though, will there be audio cd, dvd or mp3 players in 10yrs time anyway.I have a cupboard full of betamax videos that I can no longer play (yes I bought a betamax)On the videos are lots of Old Grey Whistle Test performancies (Fairport Convention, King Crimson, Rory Gallagher, Captain Beefhart, etc) plus some tube episodes and because I don't have a player, I can't watch themThis is what could happen in the future, as Chopper said with your favorite tunes or your family video, you may still have the media but no device to play it! |
Same with me. I'm also using DVDRs to burn my music. If I'm not mistaken, DVD lasts longer then normal CD.. Even if it doesn't, although the waste of money, I can still have my music organized in any order I like.
|
If anything, DVDR (and +, - or whatever crazy symbols they put in these days) will likely less time than CDR, since I'm pretty sure the tracks are less wide, so it's easier for them to become misaligned (sorry, I'm not using the right words because it's 1am  )
chopper wrote:
How do Verbatim know that their CDs will last for "up to 100 years"?
This is a general worry of the digital age. Even if a CD with some MP3
files on it does last for, say, 10 or 20 years, how do we know we'll
still have the technology around then to play them? The same thing goes
for all my family videos.
And don't forget, hard drives don't last forever either!
|
So you should back up to a lossless format than you can then re-encode to a newer format without any change whatsoever
|
|
horza
Prog Reviewer
Joined: August 31 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 2530
|
Posted: January 11 2006 at 18:35 |
Bloody marvellous !!
|
|
Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
|
|
King of Loss
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 21 2005
Location: Boston, MA
Status: Offline
Points: 16451
|
Posted: January 11 2006 at 16:47 |
Now you know what this means?
My 650 burned cds will rot!
|
|
fcoulter
Forum Groupie
Joined: December 31 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 44
|
Posted: January 11 2006 at 16:41 |
Tony R wrote:
krusty wrote:
I am guilty of buying cheap unbranded CDR's to backup CD's or put MP3's onto, I have been using DVD-R's for a while now but I should imagine they will suffer the same degradation.Chopper raises an interesting point though, will there be audio cd, dvd or mp3 players in 10yrs time anyway.I have a cupboard full of betamax videos that I can no longer play (yes I bought a betamax)On the videos are lots of Old Grey Whistle Test performancies (Fairport Convention, King Crimson, Rory Gallagher, Captain Beefhart, etc) plus some tube episodes and because I don't have a player, I can't watch themThis is what could happen in the future, as Chopper said with your favorite tunes or your family video, you may still have the media but no device to play it! |
You can by a DVD Recorder/VHS Combi and transfer your tapes to DVD!
This one's £150. |
Unfortunately, as a VHS/DVD combo unit, it won't work with Betamax, which is a completely different and incompatible format.
|
Fredrik V Coulter
|
|
Tony R
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: July 16 2004
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 11979
|
Posted: January 11 2006 at 15:22 |
krusty wrote:
I am guilty of buying cheap unbranded CDR's to backup CD's or put MP3's onto, I have been using DVD-R's for a while now but I should imagine they will suffer the same degradation.
Chopper raises an interesting point though, will there be audio cd, dvd or mp3 players in 10yrs time anyway.
I have a cupboard full of betamax videos that I can no longer play (yes I bought a betamax)
On the videos are lots of Old Grey Whistle Test performancies (Fairport Convention, King Crimson, Rory Gallagher, Captain Beefhart, etc) plus some tube episodes and because I don't have a player, I can't watch them
This is what could happen in the future, as Chopper said with your favorite tunes or your family video, you may still have the media but no device to play it!
|
You can by a DVD Recorder/VHS Combi and transfer your tapes to DVD!
This one's £150.
|
|
Suki
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 21 2005
Location: Israel
Status: Offline
Points: 134
|
Posted: January 11 2006 at 14:57 |
krusty wrote:
I am guilty of buying cheap unbranded CDR's to backup CD's or put MP3's onto, I have been using DVD-R's for a while now but I should imagine they will suffer the same degradation.
Chopper raises an interesting point though, will there be audio cd, dvd or mp3 players in 10yrs time anyway.
I have a cupboard full of betamax videos that I can no longer play (yes I bought a betamax)
On the videos are lots of Old Grey Whistle Test performancies (Fairport Convention, King Crimson, Rory Gallagher, Captain Beefhart, etc) plus some tube episodes and because I don't have a player, I can't watch them
This is what could happen in the future, as Chopper said with your favorite tunes or your family video, you may still have the media but no device to play it!
|
Same with me. I'm also using DVDRs to burn my music. If I'm not mistaken, DVD lasts longer then normal CD.. Even if it doesn't, although the waste of money, I can still have my music organized in any order I like.
|
|
krusty
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 27 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 1777
|
Posted: January 11 2006 at 14:51 |
I am guilty of buying cheap unbranded CDR's to backup CD's or put MP3's
onto, I have been using DVD-R's for a while now but I should imagine
they will suffer the same degradation.
Chopper raises an interesting point though, will there be audio cd, dvd or mp3 players in 10yrs time anyway.
I have a cupboard full of betamax videos that I can no longer play (yes I bought a betamax )
On the videos are lots of Old Grey Whistle Test performancies ( Fairport Convention, King Crimson, Rory Gallagher, Captain Beefhart, etc) plus some tube episodes and because I don't have a player, I can't watch them
This is what could happen in the future, as Chopper said with your
favorite tunes or your family video, you may still have the media but
no device to play it!
|
|
|
|
chopper
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: July 13 2005
Location: Essex, UK
Status: Offline
Points: 20030
|
Posted: January 11 2006 at 13:31 |
|
How do Verbatim know that their CDs will last for "up to 100 years"?
This is a general worry of the digital age. Even if a CD with some MP3
files on it does last for, say, 10 or 20 years, how do we know we'll
still have the technology around then to play them? The same thing goes
for all my family videos.
And don't forget, hard drives don't last forever either!
|
|
Sean Trane
Special Collaborator
Prog Folk
Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 20250
|
Posted: January 11 2006 at 12:02 |
Peter wrote:
 Yikes!
Yeah, I have a couple of older burned CDs that were a gift, that won't play any more.
The ones I usually buy are Verbatim. I don't know how long they'll last (going on 3 - 4 years now), but on the back of the box it says: "Archival life up to 100 years" (though that's hard to believe, in light of the posted article).
No more cheapo CDs for me!
Anyway, thanks for the "heads up," krusty!
|
I never hadthe problem yet, as I use a hi-fi burner and Maxell Music CD-rs 80 mins
|
|
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
|
|
Tony R
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: July 16 2004
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 11979
|
Posted: January 11 2006 at 11:36 |
Some do's and dont's:
DO:
- Handle discs by the outer edge or the centre hole
- Use a non solvent-based felt-tip permanent marker to mark the label side of the disc
- Keep dirt or other foreign matter from the disc
- Store discs upright (book style) in original jewel cases that are specified for CDs and DVDs
- Return discs to their jewel cases immediately after use
- Leave discs in their spindle or jewel case to minimize the effects of environmental changes
- Remove the shrink wrap only when you are ready to record data on the disc
- Store in a cool, dry, dark environment in which the air is clean -- relative humidity should be in the range 20% - 50% and temperature should be in the range 4°C - 20°C
- Remove dirt, foreign material, fingerprints, smudges, and liquids by wiping with a clean cotton fabric in a straight line from the centre of the disc toward the outer edge
- Use de-ionised (best), distilled or soft tap water to clean your discs. For tough problems use diluted dish detergent or rubbing alcohol. Rinse and dry thoroughly with a lint-free cloth or photo lens tissue
- Check the disc surface before recording
Don't:
-
Touch the surface of the disc
-
Bend the disc
-
Store discs horizontally for a long time (years)
-
Open a recordable optical disc package if you are not ready to record
-
Expose discs to extreme heat or high humidity
-
Expose discs to extreme rapid temperature or humidity changes
- Expose recordable discs to prolonged sunlight or other sources of UV light
-
Write or mark in the data area of the disc (area where the laser "reads")
-
Clean in a circular direction around the disc.
Quality media is essential too.You can expect high standards from Verbatim who have developed significantly improved, more sensitive and more stable dyes and reflective materials that virtually eliminate data loss during high-speed read/write processes and enhance long-term reliability.
It also makes sense to backup to as many different media as you can.I back up my music and picture files to DVD and to an exterrnal hard-drive.I also have two internal hard drives on my PC and a complete backup of my whole PC on DVDs which I update yearly and re-do.
Edited by Tony R
|
|
Snow Dog
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995
|
Posted: January 11 2006 at 11:16 |
Id better check mine, but I think they still play fine
|
|
|
|
/PAlogo_v2.gif "Progarchives.com Homepage")
Burned CD’s short lifespan.
