Cradle Of Filth

Logos wrote: Certif1ed wrote: Emporer are inferior (technically, progressively and in general songwriting abilities) in just about every concievable way to Cradle of Filth - there's almost no comparison. How? Emperor released one of the greatest (metal) albums of all time as total teenagers - they were under 18 at the time. So what have Cradle of Filth done? Not even a single good album.

Emperor's debut, whilst impressive in itself, for such young musicians, is not as impressive to my ears as the earliest CoF material (from roughly the same time, if I remember correctly). The structuring and riffing is loose and naive, while CoF were tight and focussed. I'm not even going to comment on "complexities" or time signatures, as those have precious little to do with prog.

To my ears, CoF have yet to release an album that is not good.

Certif1ed wrote: Lindsay Lohan wrote: [QUOTE=Certif1ed][QUOTE=Lindsay Lohan] BUT iron maiden is the favourite band for atleast 3 of the members of cradle of filth and COF has covered maiden 7 times...and they sound really awfull each time Who? Maiden or CoF? So what if IM are favourite bands? That doesn't mean that the music bears any similarities - or does it? Which CoF song sounds like which IM song? I haven't heard the covers - they don't appear to be on any of the albums. I heard a CoF cover of Hallowed Be Thy Name, can't say what album it came from. It was an interesting experiment IMO, that's a song where keyboards and "theatrical" effects can fit well into. And so do CoF. But I wouldn't compare the cover with the original song, the two genres are too different. But both interpretations at least deserve attention from a skilled audience. Although they would never grasp the complexity of maiden they show quite some influence of them "Complexity" of Maiden... love it!!! Well if I remember well there's a part in 5/8 in The Rhyme Of The Ancient Mariner - that's IM's proggest moment ah ah ah  pretty complex isn't it?!?! Unless you say that IM's pseudo-waltz 3/4 rhythms (e.g. Blood Brothers) is a contamination of Giuseppe Verdi. Well then IM are just as prog as Dream Theater !!!!  And anyway CoF too have waltzes (Cruelty Brought Thee Orchids "Tongue Unto Tongue..."). Yeah I'd love CoF to cover Verdi's La Donna E' Mobile !!!! Cmon let's not be far-fetched --- or shall I say silly?!?! "Show influence of Maiden" - you're a born comedian!!! Well sometimes CoF have IM's typical chord sequence A- F G A- (or whatever tune). But to name all bands who use (and abuse) that means that 90% of metal bands show influence of Maiden. What I don't find in CoF's songwriting is IM's typical tune change, up 1 1/2 tone (e.g. from A- to C-) - ever heard Aces High ?!?! You mean, they have guitars, drums and vocals? Also a producer

Ciao belli,

Certif1ed wrote: Lindsay Lohan wrote: ^ Another band that draws their influence from Iron maiden Yeah - Dani's vocals sound just like Bruce's... And those riffs - just like Iron Maiden's... Dum da da dum da da dum... I hear it now through a mist of NOT!!!

Yea as you have pointed out Cradle of filth is a band with a vocalist that cant sing and cant make songs....BUT iron maiden is the favourite band for atleast 3 of the members of cradle of filth and COF has covered maiden 7 times...and they sound really awfull each time

Although they would never grasp the complexity of maiden they show quite some influence of them

not prog, pretty good and technical in some moments

there are several bands  'progger' than them, such as Emperor

Certif1ed wrote: I don't know any of Unexpect's music - do you have any samples?

Most of the bands on my Prog Metal page have a link to a with samples, Unexpect included:

http://www.mikeenregalia.com/ProgMetal.html

You can also search for bands on my website:

http://www.mikeenregalia.com

Lindsay Lohan wrote: ^ Another band that draws their influence from Iron maiden

Yeah - Dani's vocals sound just like Bruce's...

And those riffs - just like Iron Maiden's... Dum da da dum da da dum...

I hear it now through a mist of NOT!!!

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Politician wrote: Their music is unquestionably very progressive - extremely complex and well played. Unfortunately, the lyrics and dreadful album covers are slanted towards fourteen year old Goths, and don't even get me started on the vocals (the female-sung passages are lovely, though). I think that we have to take into account that the whole genre of Black Metal involves the use of symphonic elements ... compared to other Black Metal bands, CoF are not particularly evolved or stand out in any way. Bands like Unexpect are far more inventive and show how a progressive form of Black Metal could sound like. Having said that ... CoF are not prog. I like them somewhat, and have said (and will continue to say) positive things about their music, but they should not be included here. At least if we don't want to include any other Black Metal band as well.

Considering their history, their style of music seems to predate the "big surge" in black metal, allegedly kicked off by the likes of Mayhem and Emporer - but CoF's style has always had a higher degree of sophistication than either of those illuminaries.

CoF have evolved a more unique symphonic sound - the particular "dark" symphonic sound that appears to be rooted in Diamond Head's "To the Devil". They've kind of settled into a groove that seems to be somewhat more commercial recently, but "Principles...", "Vempire", "Midian" and "Bitter Suites" are all richly varied albums within the genre - far more so than many so-called Prog Metal acts on this site.

I'm actually very keen on Dani's vocals - he has a unique rhythmic style. It's easy to see that some might not like this, but since when has liking or not liking been a factor of prog? The vocal style is also quite broad, from the outrageous throttled screaming to a surprisingly deep and rich "growl" - but always amazingly expressive.

I don't know any of Unexpect's music - do you have any samples?

The whole point of considering CoF is not to open the floodgates - after all, we didn't get Blur, Pulp or Oasis after we added Radiohead, did we?

...and you still haven't managed to even encapsulate why you think they're not prog

TheProgtologist wrote: Certif1ed wrote: CoF are far more Progressive than most of the prog-metal I've heard in the archives. I don't know about "Black Prog", but if 75% of the bands that are here really are Prog metal, then it's 100% clear to me that CoF are too. ...and don't worry about the guys who say no - notice that they have no reasoning, only dumbass comments like "No", "Noooooooooooooooooooooooo" or "Not again". I mean, it must have taken seconds to think of replies like that.   ...and don't let Philippe delete this one, Bryan Well Cert,you never really said why you think they ARE either. And don't call my comments dumbass comments,please.

Not so far in this thread I didn't...

...and don't take it personally - it's not just your comments that lack content in this thread.

Besides, that was what is commonly known as a dig in the ribs.