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    Posted: December 04 2005 at 06:11
I think the chart is pretty good myself. If you were going to pick a collection of classic prog albums, most people (and I say "most") would pick albums like CTTE, Dark Side, Selling England etc etc and these are all at the top. Obviously it won't please everyone, especially prog-metal freaks but there are individual charts for each genre.
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Originally posted by raindance raindance wrote:

The originator of this thread is spot on. I have voiced my discontent with how reviews reflect the charts.


I would think that most people would understand that the reviews and rankings are only as good as the reviewers.  The list itself really is meaningless, it's the thoughtful and informational reviews that serve purpose, at least to me that is.
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2005 at 22:04
Originally posted by dream_orchestra dream_orchestra wrote:

Where has Mr Tiddles went to?.................maybe ugly, but better looking than some on here.


Mr. Tiddles?  if I know him as I think I do, he's out on the town....probably passed out in an alley somewhere, or spending the evening with a fine specimen of the female gender.
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The originator of this thread is spot on. I have voiced my discontent with how reviews reflect the charts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2005 at 19:04
Where has Mr Tiddles went to?.................maybe ugly, but better looking than some on here.
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Points: 3254 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2005 at 16:05
Just bought that new riverside cd...so when it arrives i will tel my judgement!
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Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

I listened to the two Riverside mp3s that this site hosts, and I don't see what's so spectacular about it.

I only have Second Life Syndrome, and I would rate it a solid 4 stars. Based on that, I guess I could agree that it's presently overrated. But who knows, maybe it will grow on me!
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Points: 3083 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2005 at 15:33
I listened to the two Riverside mp3s that this site hosts, and I don't see what's so spectacular about it.
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2005 at 15:18
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by dream_orchestra dream_orchestra wrote:

Shake loose and get rid of all the non-prog, and stop pandering to heavy metal with keybaords.

ELP are one of the, if not the, top prog bands, the top 100 albums is a joke, and a very bad one at that. Mickey mouse could probably get an album in there, if it was construed as being different to his Disney stuff.

god help us all. 

Well, I guess that some people will always be shallow and narrow-minded ...



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Originally posted by dream_orchestra dream_orchestra wrote:

Shake loose and get rid of all the non-prog, and stop pandering to heavy metal with keybaords.

ELP are one of the, if not the, top prog bands, the top 100 albums is a joke, and a very bad one at that. Mickey mouse could probably get an album in there, if it was construed as being different to his Disney stuff.

god help us all. 

Well, I guess that some people will always be shallow and narrow-minded ...
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Originally posted by dream_orchestra dream_orchestra wrote:

What a f**kin ugly pussy..............does it smell of fish


that my friend, is Mr. Tiddles.  Proficient with firearms,  leaping tall buildings, 'cat' fights and in general... kicking some serious.... tail.
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2005 at 22:00
Originally posted by Forgotten Son Forgotten Son wrote:

Always on the look out for new recruits, aye Micky 


who me.... nahhh.
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What a f**kin ugly pussy..............does it smell of fish
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Always on the look out for new recruits, aye Micky 
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2005 at 19:57
Originally posted by dream_orchestra dream_orchestra wrote:

Cheers micky, definitely more reliable than the top 100 on here, as you say not perfect but def more interesting.


we try..   feel free to drop in and offer any suggestions, flames, or kudos.  They are totally different lists though. 
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Cheers micky, definitely more reliable than the top 100 on here, as you say not perfect but def more interesting.
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2005 at 21:18
Originally posted by Forgotten Son Forgotten Son wrote:

Originally posted by dream_orchestra dream_orchestra wrote:

One of the problems with these archives is, any idiot and their gran can add some peice of nonsense and review. Prog metal appears to be an American phenomenom, how heavy metal is progressive beats me, but some nutters think it does. These archives sem to be alive only for dispute and mostly irrelevence. Prog is/was better, and always will be, in the 70's. No other decade has given more to prog than this era, the birth, it's inevitable climax, since then it has been downhill. Clutching at straws for any different sounding band seems to be the norm on here, and then get them included. So much rubbish is installed in these archives, pretending to be prog that it makes me shake my head in utter disbelief.

I know standing still will not keep this site alive but adding nonsense and keeping appalling groups in the top 100 will only alienate many people. Many changes have happened on this site and from what i've seen, definitely not for the better. Shake loose and get rid of all the non-prog, and stop pandering to heavy metal with keybaords.

ELP are one of the, if not the, top prog bands, the top 100 albums is a joke, and a very bad one at that. Mickey mouse could probably get an album in there, if it was construed as being different to his Disney stuff.

god help us all. 



o·pin·ion   Audio pronunciation of "Opinion" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (-pnyn)
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hey Dream Orchestra and others, understand the list for what it is, people's favorites.  The reviews are what counts not the ratings, even if you have to pick through a bit and find the thoughtful ones.  Now if you're interesting in a list with thought given to historical import, influence, and innovation and all that check this out, it's not perfect, but it isn't bad. I would change a few but  I can live with it  

http://digitaldreamdoor.com/forum1/viewtopic.php?t=8284
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Points: 1356 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2005 at 20:23
Originally posted by dream_orchestra dream_orchestra wrote:

One of the problems with these archives is, any idiot and their gran can add some peice of nonsense and review. Prog metal appears to be an American phenomenom, how heavy metal is progressive beats me, but some nutters think it does. These archives sem to be alive only for dispute and mostly irrelevence. Prog is/was better, and always will be, in the 70's. No other decade has given more to prog than this era, the birth, it's inevitable climax, since then it has been downhill. Clutching at straws for any different sounding band seems to be the norm on here, and then get them included. So much rubbish is installed in these archives, pretending to be prog that it makes me shake my head in utter disbelief.

I know standing still will not keep this site alive but adding nonsense and keeping appalling groups in the top 100 will only alienate many people. Many changes have happened on this site and from what i've seen, definitely not for the better. Shake loose and get rid of all the non-prog, and stop pandering to heavy metal with keybaords.

ELP are one of the, if not the, top prog bands, the top 100 albums is a joke, and a very bad one at that. Mickey mouse could probably get an album in there, if it was construed as being different to his Disney stuff.

god help us all. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2005 at 19:53

One of the problems with these archives is, any idiot and their gran can add some peice of nonsense and review. Prog metal appears to be an American phenomenom, how heavy metal is progressive beats me, but some nutters think it does. These archives sem to be alive only for dispute and mostly irrelevence. Prog is/was better, and always will be, in the 70's. No other decade has given more to prog than this era, the birth, it's inevitable climax, since then it has been downhill. Clutching at straws for any different sounding band seems to be the norm on here, and then get them included. So much rubbish is installed in these archives, pretending to be prog that it makes me shake my head in utter disbelief.

I know standing still will not keep this site alive but adding nonsense and keeping appalling groups in the top 100 will only alienate many people. Many changes have happened on this site and from what i've seen, definitely not for the better. Shake loose and get rid of all the non-prog, and stop pandering to heavy metal with keybaords.

ELP are one of the, if not the, top prog bands, the top 100 albums is a joke, and a very bad one at that. Mickey mouse could probably get an album in there, if it was construed as being different to his Disney stuff.

god help us all. 
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Originally posted by Fitzcarraldo Fitzcarraldo wrote:

Because I wanted specifically to gauge equally the impact of the number of 'votes' for an album and the ratings for that album (popularity, if you will), my algorithm No. 5 was more interesting *to me* and, although I'm no fan of DREAM THEATER or other Prog Metal bands, *I* found the result to be probably a more telling representation of the likes of the site visitor population. However, it seems that many people just cannot stomach DT anywhere near the top of a list, and the results of algorithm No. 5 continued to generate a lot of discussion.´

It's ironic - I love DT and yet I introduced a change that effectively removed Train of Thought and Octavarium from the top 100. But for valid reasons ... 300 ratings for an album don't necessarily indicate that the album is more popular than one with 150 ratings.

Having seen the list produced by algorithm No. 5 and been satisfied by it and my rationale (again, see the above-mentioned thread), I'm happy to see the results produced by Mike's algorithm, especially if it generates less polemic than the previous one. It generally produces the right sort of bands in roughly the right sort of places, so I'm not complaining. Having said that, I personally agree with you vis-ŕ-vis ELP and RIVERSIDE, but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. It's all just a bit of fun at the end of the day.

 couldn't agree more ...

Actually, I sometimes wonder whether, when all the old fogies such as myself who were in their teens and twenties in the 1970s and 'into' Prog Rock are long gone, the big 1970 successes of the Prog Rock genre will still be considered good music.

Albums like Close to the Edge or Dark Side of the Moon are classics. I'm a relatively young prog fan, and even though I grew up with metal and all sorts of popular music, I still think that albums like these are the best.

A lot of CD sales of the classic Prog Bands of the 1970s have been to older people, replacing LPs or revisiting the past (me, for example). When the likes of me are long gone, will people think that the music of YES, GENESIS, ELP, TULL etc. is good? I'd like to think so, but there's no guarantee. Perhaps in 50 years time, any 100 people would prefer the music of RIVERSIDE to that of ELP.

Riverside are a good band, but IMO their albums are not classics. Well, only time will tell ...

Personally I would hope not, but who can say? Tastes change. Another hypothetical question for you: not knocking RIVERSIDE but, if they had been around in 1972, would they have been able to draw a crowd of 350,000? ELP were true showmen, weren't they?!

Those were different times. I'm happy with music being an underground phenomenon, and concerts in small venues. Frankly, I don't think that all of the 350,000 people were "in it" for the music - it was a happening, just like the Love Parade in Berlin with 1,000,000 people. 
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