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Empathy
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Topic: Prog Rock Political Party Posted: November 30 2005 at 17:00 |
"Other" here...
meaning socially liberal, but economically conservative
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ummagumma08
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Joined: May 06 2004
Location: Denmark
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 16:37 |
It's really confusing that in America liberal signifies left-wing, in Denmark the liberal party is right-wing, and ideologically it belongs to the ideology entitled "liberalism" (not in reality but at least historically…) which I assume worldwide (incl. USA) corresponds to approximately the same thing, namely that the individual is solely responsible for his (or hers) own fortune and success, no collective responsibility what so ever. Liberalists also have full faith in the free market. This is clearly opposed to the collective ideologies as for instance socialism/communism whose supporters (generally considered left-wingers) believe that it’s a collective responsibility to assure the well-being of people and to support those less-fortuned, they don’t believe in a strict free market etc… This is of course super superficially presented, there are of course many more facets to be taken into account, and it merely serves no other purpose than to express my slight annoyance concerning the term liberal used to denote “left-wing.”
But I must say that I believe all this talk of ideology and “left- vs. right-wing” is slightly dated, and today rather pointless… I myself isn’t that interested in practical politics, I don’t have a strong opinion about many things, but I must say that I sympathize a great deal with the general views of socialism, and I always vote for the Danish left-wing/socialist/red party.
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lunaticviolist
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 12:30 |
VanBuren wrote:
someone answer my question! please!
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Sorry, can't help you! Good questions, though!
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BitchBrew
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Joined: September 10 2005
Location: Sweden
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 12:04 |
Sice I do not belive in parlamentarianism I don't belong in any
"party". Nope, I consider myself something of a left-wing libertarian/
anarchist.
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The Mars Volta, Mike Patton, Frank Zappa, Pink Floyd, Liquid Tension Experiment
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VanBuren
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 10:29 |
what right wing attitudes do rush hold?
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Tony Fisher
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Joined: April 30 2005
Location: England
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Points: 967
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 10:16 |
The Wizard wrote:
Rock itself is liberal. |
Tell Rush that. They have some very nasty right wing attitudes and Neil Peart is particularly neo con in his outlook. Strange when you consider that Geddy Lee is Jewish by descent.
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The Green Tank
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Joined: November 06 2005
Location: Canada
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 20:32 |
Conservatives anger me.
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Flip_Stone
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Location: United States
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 18:43 |
Another goofy post. It's a shame to see something great and honorable (prog. music) get somehow mixed up with something that's often full of loathing and corruption (politics).
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alan_pfeifer
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 15:20 |
sleeper wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks that poloyics is messed up in general |
Agreed. I gave up caring about straight policital affliliations ahwile ago. I'm trying my best to stay comfortably in the middle.
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GPFR
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Joined: August 05 2005
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 15:15 |
FragileDT wrote:
GPFR wrote:
Conservitive here, I think music and politics are two very
unrelated topics.
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I don't. Music and politics cross all the time. Tons of songs are written about
politics and conditions in today's world and in fact, I can't really think of a
prog band off the top of my head that never touched base on war/peace,
saving society, corruption, ect... |
Well, that depends on what you listen too more, the music or the
lyrics, Ifor one listen to the Music itself, and emotion of the
vocals, if it's politics or religion against what I think, who cares?
Doesn't make me think less of the song.
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Korova
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Joined: November 04 2005
Location: Italy
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 15:09 |
Chipiron wrote:
GPFR wrote:
Conservitive here, I think music and politics are two very unrelated topics. |
I think music and politics are two very unrelated topics, too. |
I don't think so...
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La Speranza della coscienza è forza
La Speranza del sentimento è schiavitù
La Speranza del corpo è malattia
(G.I. Gurdjieff)
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Sean Trane
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 07:55 |
Again from an american view , liberal is left wing when the rest of the planets sees the libs as capitalists.
so from your list I chose other and pose myself and the vast majotity of progheads (check out the results of the political compass test) as left-wing with a fairly strong libertarian feel.
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Syzygy
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Joined: December 16 2004
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 07:32 |
I think that, among the musicians, there is a general tendency towards liberal/left leaning ideals.
I always used to think that prog fans were generally small 'c' conservatives, but the results of the political compass test show a definite tendency to the liberal left, though I think I'm further to the left than most. Still, it's nice to know I'm not the only one!
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Chipiron
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Joined: April 05 2005
Location: Spain
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Points: 780
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 04:06 |
GPFR wrote:
Conservitive here, I think music and politics are two very unrelated topics. |
I think music and politics are two very unrelated topics, too.
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NutterAlert
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 04:02 |
My guess is most are somewhat left of centre
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Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005
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VanBuren
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Joined: October 27 2005
Location: United States
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 00:19 |
someone answer my question! please!
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tardis
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Location: Victoria, BC
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 21:56 |
I'm a member of the ULM. The Ulk Liberation Movement!!!!
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The Wizard
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Joined: July 18 2005
Location: United States
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 21:55 |
Rock itself is liberal.
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Korova
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Joined: November 04 2005
Location: Italy
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 14:23 |
I'm a member of Rifondazione Comunista the italian communist
party...and I've a strong belief in the original message of communism
wich is social equity...i know, sadly men in the history misunderstood
this pure ideal and they become currupted as for exemple in the soviet
union, but this does not mean to me that communism is evil
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La Speranza della coscienza è forza
La Speranza del sentimento è schiavitù
La Speranza del corpo è malattia
(G.I. Gurdjieff)
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VanBuren
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Joined: October 27 2005
Location: United States
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 12:42 |
well I like to think of myself as a political science major as both a
liberal progressive just as i am a fan of progressive music, all things
leading forward you might say. I also have a few semi political
questions that maybe someone here can answer.
*Selling England By the Pound is supposed to read like a political
platform for one of the parties in england at the time, can't find much
information here
*someone mentioned dream theater as liberals here somewhere but i seem
to remember hearing a dream theater song that i thought was apposed to
stem cell research, maybe it was satire, but dream theater are usually
painfully straight-forward with their lyrics. sorry i don't know the
title of the song, I'm not to big on them actually, but i think it's
rather new, after metropolis part 2 at least...
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