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    Posted: February 27 2006 at 05:31
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I have the book on hold for now

Too many more urgent readings to be done


what on earth could be more urgent reading for a progger than a book on VdGG?

Fans have been waiting almost 30 years foa that book, so it can still wait for a few weeks!

my book is in Holland, so you'll be able to leaf through it when you come over.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2006 at 04:23
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I have the book on hold for now

Too many more urgent readings to be done


what on earth could be more urgent reading for a progger than a book on VdGG?


A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2006 at 04:08

I have the book on hold for now

Too many more urgent readings to be done

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2006 at 20:19

The latest review, this one from The Wire:

VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR:

THE BOOK

JIM CHRISTOPULOS

& PHIL SMART

PHIL AND JIM HBK £25

BY KEITH MOLINÉ

Peter Hammill’s effectiveness as a vocalist was dealt a killer blow in the 1980s when a certain Fish from Marillion — a group so musically moribund they probably turned more people off Prog rock than punk ever managed — co-opted his every last vocal mannerism and claimed them as his own. The Hammill style, which puts each image under the glare of the least forgiving of spotlights, works fine for Hammill songs, with their complex narratives and multiple perspectives. When heard after the inept doggerel produced by a lyricist like Fish or any of the other Hammill copyists that sprang up in his wake, however, it sounded horribly mannered and pretentious. The result is that Van Der Graaf Generator can seem impossibly overwrought and melodramatic to the casual listener, as guilty of empty, self-regarding bombast as the very worst of Prog rock.

But the fact is that the crashing enormity of he group’s performance style is the only way that justice could ever have been done to the vision of Hammill’s songs, and he should be applauded for developing an original form of epic songwriting that places him in a tradition closer to that of Nick Cave than Jon Anderson of Yes. Van Der Graaf’s music has a hideous beauty, or rather a beautiful ugliness, a bludgeoning lack of subtlety that places their songs on a different plane from the selfconsciously well-made pocket symphonies of Prog. Their agenda was far more interesting than that of the vast majority of their loon-panted British contemporaries.

Big, unwieldy and exhausting — that’s a description of Van Der Graaf Generator: The Book, though it could equally apply to the group themselves. Longtime fans Christopulos and Smart, the latter of whom runs the VDGG Website, have self-published an entertaining account of Hammill and co’s byzantine history. The Book affords equal weight to all four members of the classic VDGG quartet (the others being organist Hugh Banton, drummer Guy Evans and twin sax maestro Dave Jackson), relying heavily on their anecdotes for its substance. That’s not a bad thing for a fanboy book like this, though it means that the later New Wave-influenced line-up, along with contemporaneous Hammill solo albums like The Future Now, are somewhat glossed over.

For my money, this period saw VDGG and Hammill producing career-best work. Stories about Banton’s habit of deciding to rebuild his giant organ on the eve of every major tour, or the time Evans was presented with a new set of cymbals at a German festival, may be endlessly fascinating to hardcore followers, but their appeal starts to pall over the distance.

The book is chock full of photos, but while many of these are previously unpublished, a fair number of them are pictures of rare US promo acetates and the like. Nor is it an easy book to dip into, lacking an index. What The Book really needs is a critical voice, one that might begin to explain VDGG’s enduring popularity by examining more closely their artistic failures as well as successes. Dissent is limited to a handful of quotes from lukewarm reviews, to which the group were never exactly strangers, and the odd celebrity putdown such as Joe Strummer’s memorable definition of the group being “like Shakespeare crossed with Uriah Heep”. How exactly Hammill and his cohorts were able to find a fair degree of public favour with some of the most unremittingly dark and solipsistic songs ever written (see VDGG’s “The Emperor In His War Room”, from H To He Who Am The Only One, or Hammill’s “Gog”, from In Camera) doesn’t come close to being elucidated here, but as a group travelogue and potted history of the era, it’s a rollicking good read.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2006 at 09:07
Halfway through the book by now!!! Good reading and relistening to the records at the same time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2006 at 07:50

From Record Collector, Feb '06:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2005 at 08:23

Peter Hammill's (edited) comments in his latest newsletter:

Some of you will be aware that Phil Smart and Jim Christopulos have been working away on a biography of VdGG for a number of years. This has now finally been published. Their research for this project has been diligent and wide-ranging and they've come up with a fascinating collection of interviewees and an even more fascinating range of photographs and other pieces of documentary evidence of all the lives and times of the band(s). Thus far I've only skimmed through the book, dipping in and out of the text and being amazed by the wealth of pictorial material. It's an honest and thorough piece of work and virtually everyone involved contributes a say or so, along with quite a few "celebrity" enthusiasts and commentators. It's an expensive purchase, but an interesting one. You can get it by going to www.vandergraafgenerator.co.uk on the web.

[it's also at amazon.co.uk]

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2005 at 07:56
Van der Graaf Generator - The Book is now available at www.amazon.co.uk as well as www.vandergraafgenerator.co.uk
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2005 at 10:33
Mine arrived this morning, I'm just about to go and open it and give it an initial flick through.  Christmas has come early!  Albeit only by a few weeks.

Cheers once again Jim and Phil for writing this book.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2005 at 09:31

Barrie Wentzell is one of the premiere photographers in rock (having snapped Hendrix, the Beatles, Zeppelin, and others - including prog-rock stalwarts Yes, Genesis, and Van der Graaf Generator). He kindly contributed to the VdGG book with several photos from the late 60s - early 70s. He has a killer website at http://www.barriewentzell.com/

Paul Whitehead is a prog artist extraordinaire, having done covers for Genesis, VdGG, Le Orme, and others. He allowed us to use several of his prints for the book and was also interviewed extensively. 

Both have recently written us with their impressions of Van der Graaf Generator - The Book:

 "I was instantly transported back to 'Old Soho' and London via your Dr. Who's 'Tardis' time machine, and was back 'where we once belonged' in the Ship, Charisma Records, The Nellie Dean, The Speakeasy, The Marquee and La Chasse. Fantastic job in taking us back to A PERIOD OF FUN, EXPERIMENT AND FEARLESSNESS, that may never be repeated. You told me lotsa stuff about old friends, faces and places that I'd forgotten or never really knew 'till I read your 'back pages'. Thanx for the inspiration and pressure to personally look back and remember a band who at the time I thought was so obscure, innovative, imaginary and creative and now are legendary."
- Barrie Wentzell


"Very cool - written in a very entertaining way, and some of the artifacts (like the pink gig sheets) are fascinating. There is even some art in there that I'd completely forgotten about, like the poster with the pillars; somewhere in the smoke filled crevices of my mind I remember making that. I think VdGG are finally being recognized for what they were; a very brave and original ensemble of brilliant uncompromising artists whose influence was a million times larger than the number of records they sold. I'm glad that someone felt the need - and spent the time - to put the whole story down on paper." - Paul Whitehead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 11:18
I ordered mine yesterday.
I figure I'm deserving of a $74.00 book. I've been a good girl.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 02:18
Ah, thanks for that Jim, I guess I'll have to sort my Paypal out then.  I'm not fussed at not getting it for Christmas.  I just will be happy to get a copy all together.  I shall sort it out as soon as possible.

Thanks for the update, much appreciated.  Phil and yourself, keep up the great work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2005 at 19:20

From Phil Smart, VdGG web master:

There's still time to order The Book in time for Christmas (UK and
airmail), although the days are slipping by...
According to the UK's Royal Mail, for us to send parcels in time for
Christmas we would need to have received your order by December 12th
for UK and W Europe, or December 8th for the rest of the world
(airmail).

I have been able to reduce the postage costs slightly because sales
have been reasonable, but this is mainly outside my control. We don't
make any money from the postage and packing cost. I have tried to find
a cheaper method, but failed. The problem is that The Book weighs in at
nearly 2Kg (4.4lbs).

I should also add that we are the sole mail-order supplier at this
time. It would not be advisable to shop elsewhere online. This may
change, but at this time no books have been supplied to any other
online seller.

Phil.
http://www.vandergraafgenerator.co.uk

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2005 at 10:54
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2005 at 16:51

James - Try the Yahoo Hammill group. Some members on there help with 'seeding' concerts (although I personally don't have any).

Sean - A few thousand.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2005 at 03:23
Originally posted by bucka001 bucka001 wrote:

Hi Sean,

[How about dealing with this guy in Belgium?

http://vox.telenet.be

He deals mostly music books from all over the world. recently bought him the Stump book GG's Acquiring The Taste]

We'll look into it. Thanks. The problem is that the book is so damned heavy (it's almost coffee table size [we'll, not quite but it's big], it's hardcover, and it's well over 300 pages) so postage is really tough. Just getting multiple copies to a distributor costs an arm and a leg. But we'll check it out.

How many copies was your first pressing?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2005 at 15:00
Ah yes, Chicago, my mistake... but yes, good to see you got back fine, you hadn't had much sleep.

Any ideas if there is a bootleg of the Shepherds Bush gig Jim?  I am trying to get hold of recordings of gigs I attend.  I have the RFH gig, but I wasn't actually there.  Any ideas?

Oh and I know you speak to the VdGG members yourself, any news on a possible new album for the future?  I know the RFH gig is being released around December time, so I look forward to hearing the official recording.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2005 at 13:32

Hi James,


[What are you doing in Uruguay?  I thought you were in Cali?]

No, I live in Chicago, actually! That's where I am. I do remember you, good to hear from you.

Sean, we may very well be able to do something with a Belgium distributor as, if worse comes to worse, my writing partner could just drive some books there (he lives in England and travels quite a bit). So, thanks for the tip.

Jim

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2005 at 12:54
Great news Jim, I shall most definitely obtain a copy of this.

I am glad to see you got back from England fine..., I was sat next to you at the Shepherd's Bush Empire gig and we had a great chat, so thanks for that.

What are you doing in Uruguay?  I thought you were in Cali?

Congratulations on the hard work yourself and Phil Smart have made in producing this book, I could only dream of writing something similar on Duster Bennett, maybe one day...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2005 at 11:37

Hi Sean,

[How about dealing with this guy in Belgium?

http://vox.telenet.be

He deals mostly music books from all over the world. recently bought him the Stump book GG's Acquiring The Taste]

We'll look into it. Thanks. The problem is that the book is so damned heavy (it's almost coffee table size [we'll, not quite but it's big], it's hardcover, and it's well over 300 pages) so postage is really tough. Just getting multiple copies to a distributor costs an arm and a leg. But we'll check it out.

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