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    Posted: October 19 2024 at 10:59
Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

More than anything else, it reminds me of the early Ange, especially with the guitar sound. I can't recall, however, which tune(s) it would be exactly. If that music belongs to Ange, though, I wouldn't be at all astonished if the band decided to give away some of their otherwise unreleased recordings, particularly for that documentary. After all, the 24 Hours of Le Mans was a huge event back then—much bigger than it is today. Even the 1971 Steve McQueen-starring film "Le Mans" depicted a fictional rendition of the 24 Heures du Mans race.


I apologies for the delayed response. Yes, you are right. The melody in target song is not just similar to Ange in terms of the guitar sound. Overall, their sound is quite similar in the albums from (approximately) 1977-78. 
However, unfortunately, I couldn't find the exact melody in Ange's works (I went through their entire discography). 
In any case, thank you for the suggestion
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It may be a French composer, too. In the 60s hey weren't too different from the Italians.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Valdez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2024 at 12:15
Im gonna guess philip glass early version of Mad Rush by this guy maybe?
https://youtu.be/jZxLWNiFMZM?si=kNf0W2pnexw9Noja


Edited by Valdez - October 09 2024 at 12:23
https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/sleepers-2024

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Originally posted by Wombatium Wombatium wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:



I've quoited this from rateyourmusic:

"Library music, also known as stock or production music, is the term for musical compositions that can be licensed to consumers for use in audio, video or audiovisual formats."

I love the album Les gants blancs du diable.



Thank you for the explanation. I didn't know this term before. 
Let me guess – the music in these libraries was most likely stored on magnetic tapes (reel tapes), right? 
If you listen closely to the target music, you can hear the distinctive crackling of a needle on a vinyl. This gives me hope that the required song was released on vinyl (and was available for sale, not only for TV's internal usage)


I would think it was commonly stored that way. There is a lot of library music that also has been released on record. Sometimes many years later. It gives me the feel of music made by someone who would be involved with composing for TV shows / documentaries/ movies. And while some are saying Italian, it seems more French to me.

Edited by Logan - October 09 2024 at 09:02
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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

Sounds like a prog take on parts of Shostakovich 12 symphony. Almost has a Philip glass ring to it with the repetition. Goblin is a good guess


Thanks for your reply.
I have checked Goblin discography one more time. It's wrong direction.

Could you, please, explain me your ideas about Shostakovich? Unofortunately, I can't hear any intersections with the 12th Symphony. Maybe another symphony of the same author?
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:



I've quoited this from rateyourmusic:

"Library music, also known as stock or production music, is the term for musical compositions that can be licensed to consumers for use in audio, video or audiovisual formats."

I love the album Les gants blancs du diable.



Thank you for the explanation. I didn't know this term before. 
Let me guess – the music in these libraries was most likely stored on magnetic tapes (reel tapes), right? 
If you listen closely to the target music, you can hear the distinctive crackling of a needle on a vinyl. This gives me hope that the required song was released on vinyl (and was available for sale, not only for TV's internal usage)
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Reminds me somewhat of Jean-Pierre Massiera's Visitors, but this is more symphonic & less psychedelic than that project.   

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More than anything else, it reminds me of the early Ange, especially with the guitar sound. I can't recall, however, which tune(s) it would be exactly. If that music belongs to Ange, though, I wouldn't be at all astonished if the band decided to give away some of their otherwise unreleased recordings, particularly for that documentary. After all, the 24 Hours of Le Mans was a huge event back then—much bigger than it is today. Even the 1971 Steve McQueen-starring film "Le Mans" depicted a fictional rendition of the 24 Heures du Mans race.
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I know it's not it but the part at 2 minutes reminds me of the beginning of "la mente vola" by Alphataurus. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Valdez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2024 at 20:02
Sounds like a prog take on parts of Shostakovich 12 symphony. Almost has a Philip glass ring to it with the repetition. Goblin is a good guess

Edited by Valdez - October 08 2024 at 20:03
https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/sleepers-2024

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Wombatium Wombatium wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

It reminds me of Enrico Simonetti, dad of Claudio, the mastermind of Goblin. 
It's not Simonetti, but it sounds very Italian of the 60s to me. 


Thanks for your reply.
I understand what you mean. When I listen to the first part of the target music, I also get the feeling that it's very "cinematographic", it sounds like part of a movie soundtrack. But, unfortunately, I checked all available albums by Enrico Simonetti and found nothing. Probably the closest in sound is the soundtrack to the movie/series Gamma. The others are too "orchestral." Just in case, I also checked Claudio's film works, but found nothing as well.
What do you think – should I check again the entire Goblin band discography? Could I have missed something?

It's not Goblin.
There are other Italian bands & soundtrack composers, do check that out. One reason i watch 70s Italian movies is because the soundtracks were so good. 

I like the music in that little documentary you posted, I wish you found out what it is. Smile 

I agree, it's not Goblin. Mine was just a sensation, but there's a number of Italian authors of soundtracks of the 60s (not last Ennio Morricone). I think it may be one of them.

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Originally posted by Wombatium Wombatium wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I like it a lot, it sounds like library (soundtrack, TV) music to me. It gives me Karl Heinz Schäfer vibes.


Could you, please, clarify what do you mean by "library music"? Do you mean that these are not three parts of one song, but three different tracks from a soundtrack to one film (connected by a common theme)? 

As for Karl Heinz Schäfer, I agree. This feeling is especially strong in the soundtrack to the film Les gants blancs du diable


I've quoited this from rateyourmusic:

"Library music, also known as stock or production music, is the term for musical compositions that can be licensed to consumers for use in audio, video or audiovisual formats."

I love the album Les gants blancs du diable.


Originally posted by Wombatium Wombatium wrote:

And your avatar give me even more vibes Wink
<span>La Planète sauvage and Alain Goraguer are very close to the target song.


yes, and when I first heard it, Goraguer is the first that came to mind (I saw that that had mentioned before) and I very much associate the music of La planète sauvage with Les gants blancs du diable. I would expect the music to be early 70s and in the some sort of vein as music of the time by Goraguer, Schäfer, Vladimir Cosma, Michel Bernholc, Lalo Schifrin....

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I like it a lot, it sounds like library (soundtrack, TV) music to me. It gives me Karl Heinz Schäfer vibes.


And your avatar give me even more vibes Wink
La Planète sauvage and Alain Goraguer are very close to the target song
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I like it a lot, it sounds like library (soundtrack, TV) music to me. It gives me Karl Heinz Schäfer vibes.


Could you, please, clarify what do you mean by "library music"? Do you mean that these are not three parts of one song, but three different tracks from a soundtrack to one film (connected by a common theme)? 

As for Karl Heinz Schäfer, I agree. This feeling is especially strong in the soundtrack to the film Les gants blancs du diable
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I like it a lot, it sounds like library (soundtrack, TV) music to me. It gives me Karl Heinz Schäfer vibes.

Edited by Logan - October 08 2024 at 07:12
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:


I like the music in that little documentary you posted, I wish you found out what it is. Smile 


I really like this music too. Thank you very much for the kind wish :)
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

It reminds me of Ekseption rather than Focus, but Ekseption did not use guitars after their debut.


You are absolutely right about Ekseption.
Before checking all the French prog bands, I did a bit of research on the Dutch prog scene (due to a false trail with Focus).
Earth and Fire, Supersister, Trace, and so on.
Ekseption was probably the closest in sound. But, unfortunately, they don't have this song :(
Anyway, thank you for the advice
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Originally posted by Wombatium Wombatium wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

It reminds me of Enrico Simonetti, dad of Claudio, the mastermind of Goblin. 
It's not Simonetti, but it sounds very Italian of the 60s to me. 


Thanks for your reply.
I understand what you mean. When I listen to the first part of the target music, I also get the feeling that it's very "cinematographic", it sounds like part of a movie soundtrack. But, unfortunately, I checked all available albums by Enrico Simonetti and found nothing. Probably the closest in sound is the soundtrack to the movie/series Gamma. The others are too "orchestral." Just in case, I also checked Claudio's film works, but found nothing as well.
What do you think – should I check again the entire Goblin band discography? Could I have missed something?

It's not Goblin.
There are other Italian bands & soundtrack composers, do check that out. One reason i watch 70s Italian movies is because the soundtracks were so good. 

I like the music in that little documentary you posted, I wish you found out what it is. Smile 
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

It reminds me of Enrico Simonetti, dad of Claudio, the mastermind of Goblin. 
It's not Simonetti, but it sounds very Italian of the 60s to me. 


Thanks for your reply.
I understand what you mean. When I listen to the first part of the target music, I also get the feeling that it's very "cinematographic", it sounds like part of a movie soundtrack. But, unfortunately, I checked all available albums by Enrico Simonetti and found nothing. Probably the closest in sound is the soundtrack to the movie/series Gamma. The others are too "orchestral." Just in case, I also checked Claudio's film works, but found nothing as well.
What do you think – should I check again the entire Goblin band discography? Could I have missed something?
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It reminds me of Ekseption rather than Focus, but Ekseption did not use guitars after their debut.

Edited by someone_else - October 08 2024 at 00:46
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