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    Posted: November 28 2023 at 04:17
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<span style="white-space:pre">     </span>Regarding VdGG lyrics, H to He are definitely my favourite ones and very probably also most favourite all-time disregarding the genre.


My vote goes to Childlike Faith In Childhood's End for best VDGG lyrics
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What Mr Hammill has been up to recently




Good news as it probably means that he is OK health-wise. I'm not great on re-recordings generally but he has a point that those weren't recorded that well and the material is probably better than it originally sounded. (To be honest I always had the impression that mixing and recording isn't his major skill; some of his albums could've been better with a more professional hand in that respect. Which of course means my expectations for the re-recordings aren't that high.)
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Regarding VdGG lyrics, H to He are definitely my favourite ones and very probably also most favourite all-time disregarding the genre.
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What Mr Hammill has been up to recently

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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

This is why Still Life is VDGG's best LOL, Lyrically, Vocally, and perhaps even musically their finest moment. (Even the album art work is their best)

I'm most fond of the cover art of H to He, but I like the front cover of Still Life too, and especially on the original German version, where the colour of the lettering is different and the whole front cover maybe a bit darker.


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^Ah, but that's also what makes many of us love Van Der Graaf Generator and Mr. Hammill! Hammill is a master at his craft. The music is ever changing. It's challenging, I love it that way. On many a day, I could site them as being my favorite band. 
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

^Right now they're playing Childlike Faith in Childhood's End on Prog Radio (My suggestion). I love VDGG, but I get why some don't like them, but Each album has it's own sound to it. They don't make Stop-Gap albums. I don't see much of a similarity between Godbluff and Pawn Hearts, but hey, to each his own Confused
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Poetry is like that ... tomorrow a different set of lines creates something else, and my take is that some folks don't like PH/VdGG mainly because it changes so much ... there is a similarity in that the instruments are often the same (same with all bands, no?), but it stops there. Since PH does his poetry, and not just lyrics for a song, it is different. It's more about the livelihood of the words than it is about it being a song.

This, to me, is an issue to a lot of fans, even here, that I'm not sure they know the difference between "lyrics" and a "poem" ... and, of course, when you see the master singers that are about the poetry and not quite a song, things get tough.

PH is not the only one. There are many out there ... but they are not always in one of the "top" bands, because their material is very different, and often changes from album to album ... of course it does ... the poem tomorrow is not the same as the poem today, regardless of what fans want and say!
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

This is why Still Life is VDGG's best LOL, Lyrically, Vocally, and perhaps even musically their finest moment. (Even the album art work is their best)

I surely like Still Life, just not listen to it shortly after Godbluff.  Wink


They're completely different records, both 10/10 records. Just... different. Still Life is sad, yet hopeful. Godbluff sounds angry, almost Punk-Ish. Hard to describe the sound of Godbluff, it's just so unique. 
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I can't say, I'm more fond of my VdGG albums than those of Genesis or ELP, but comparing to King Crimson's, the answer 
might be "yes", even not easy - and at least Jethro Tull's, even I love Aqualung.
BTW, I can add that I'm also more fond of my VdGG albums than those of Yes - if talking about The Big Ones.
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

This is why Still Life is VDGG's best LOL, Lyrically, Vocally, and perhaps even musically their finest moment. (Even the album art work is their best)

I surely like Still Life, just not listen to it shortly after Godbluff.  Wink
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^Right now they're playing Childlike Faith in Childhood's End on Prog Radio (My suggestion). I love VDGG, but I get why some don't like them, but Each album has it's own sound to it. They don't make Stop-Gap albums. I don't see much of a similarity between Godbluff and Pawn Hearts, but hey, to each his own Confused

This is why Still Life is VDGG's best LOL, Lyrically, Vocally, and perhaps even musically their finest moment. (Even the album art work is their best)
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

If looking closer at the rather early VdGG albums, I see in Pawn Hearts quite a lot of melodical similarity with H to He, and 
the same in Godbluff comparing to Pawn Hearts. That is one of the reasons for I haven't got Pawn Hearts in my collection.
I guess you don't own Foxtrot either?
Yes, I certainly do. Actually, Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, SEbtP and The Lamb. And regarding ELP, I own the debut, Tarkus, Pictures, Trilogy and BSS. How come this difference comparing to VdGG? Not least because I don't see the same melodical similarity betwen all these albums. Also in that way, I don't see the same melodical creativity in VdGG as in Genesis and ELP.

I can add that this characteristic of VdGG is also evident when comparing Still Life with Godbluff.
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

I'm curious, does anyone have any information on if they'll release another record and/or do another tour? (I don't expect anyone too, and I doubt they will, but I'm curious)

Given that Peter Hammill had a rather serious heart problem (as far as I know) during the last tour, and given his age, I think it's rather unlikely, although he had gone through this before and came back. Of course I can't know any details about his health but I'm not optimistic in this respect.

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I rather think that he needs to slow down and admit to himself that doing concerts is not healthy anymore and that he is ravaging himself each and every time he sings a lot of his work. I can see some solo albums making it through, but not live concerts, unless something comes off his home in a live recording setting, which I bet will be as good, if not better than anything else, and likely not as stressful, with all the goings on of travelling and setup, sound check, and then show ... making for a day that is way too long for anyone his age!
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

I'm curious, does anyone have any information on if they'll release another record and/or do another tour? (I don't expect anyone too, and I doubt they will, but I'm curious)

Given that Peter Hammill had a rather serious heart problem (as far as I know) during the last tour, and given his age, I think it's rather unlikely, although he had gone through this before and came back. Of course I can't know any details about his health but I'm not optimistic in this respect.
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

I'm curious, does anyone have any information on if they'll release another record and/or do another tour? (I don't expect anyone too, and I doubt they will, but I'm curious)

Hi,

Interesting that you would ask that ... I, for one, having been there from the very start (one of my first albums was H to He) in 1969 or so. maybe a year later.

As much work as he has given us, over the years, even as a solo artist, I have no thoughts of more works, and if he retires, to my way of thinking, his now having the time to smell the flowers outside, and enjoy a sunset or two, is a rest that he probably deserves. I imagine that he will still leave us with 1000 pages of poems and whatnot!

When you look at it, from an artist point of view, in the history of the arts, music, literature, painting for example, there are not as many folks that just created so much work, and did it so well and beautifully, for our enjoyment. We may like this or that better, but in the end, the amount of work is one of the most valuable and important of all singer/songwriters ever and he deserves that credit!

I don't think that many, if anyone, will get close to his talent and listing of works.


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I love VDGG. H to HE, Pawn Hearts, Godbluff; all exemplary, top-tier prog!
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I can't say, I'm more fond of my VdGG albums than those of Genesis or ELP, but comparing to King Crimson's, the answer 
might be "yes", even not easy - and at least Jethro Tull's, even I love Aqualung.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

To me there is a much bigger difference between Pawn Hearts and Godbluff than Foxtrot to Selling England By The Pound. 
I was only talking about the melodical side of it.
do you mean compositional side otherwise I have no idea what that means

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

To me there is a much bigger difference between Pawn Hearts and Godbluff than Foxtrot to Selling England By The Pound. 

I was only talking about the melodical side of it.

do you mean compositional side otherwise I have no idea what that means
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I don't have much to say about them. I know them better than some but not as well as others. They were probably one of the first "lesser known" prog bands I heard of but it took a long time for me to finally hear their music. I was really into them for a while but I listen to so much different stuff that I can't say that I am an expert on their music. Still, a good band to come back to every so often. Some favorite songs include "killer,""pilgrims," and "undercover man."

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