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For rock I'd suggest "The Progress Suite" from Chad and Jeremy "Of Cabbages and Kings" album, released in 1967.
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Hi, My thoughts are that the discussion here is limited to too much Anglo-American music, and not enough to the other Europeans and others around the globe. Both America and England, have committed to a commercial style for music that is less represented by ideas from classical music, than otherwise. We might consider that some jazz things do fit, but when you see jazz in 4 minute segments, as songs, then you wonder where "jazz" really went. If we include, and look at, a lot of Europeans, it's hard to believe that ANGE, AD2, LE ORME, BANCO and others did not create true "suites" with their music, and them not being mentioned, is kinda sad ... many of these were far more into the ideas involved here than otherwise, but instead, we look at material that was "song" oriented, as so much of the pieces mentioned were. Iron Butterfly's effort is nice, but I'm not sure that it was quite intended to be a "suite", and it really fit a lot more as a "trip" even though today we look at it as a blues/whatever thing, and not a "trip" ... hearing it today, I'm not sure that today's audience knows how to close their eyes and enjoy the music, instead of cheering out loud for the metal guitar and the gruff voice (or then hear a comment like too much meandering and wondering about nothing -- like metal doesn't!) ... and a "suite" is meant for people that can "fly" and "trip" ... not to suggest that many metalizers can't trip, but I don't find the long things by DT and others anywhere near the definition of a "suite", other than a pair or trio of songs put together as different parts of a thought or two. I think we need to be more inclusive, if we're going to discuss this ... we're mentioning too many commercially designed and known material to the mix. I would venture to say that even Frank Zappa is one of the few that fits, and he would know what a "suite" is, and give you a lesson with his baton!
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O my God...
we should finish the discussion here.... with the definitive results.
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Where are the last messages?
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Actually Zappa's Freak Out had the final Son of a Monster Magnet suite which took up most of side three and all of side four on the debut. That could possibly count. Released 27 June 1966 Not prog but Love had a side long track titled Revelation on the album Da Capo released Nov 1966 Arlo Guthrie's Alice's Restaurant had a side long song Alice's Restaurant Massacree released 4 October 1967 |
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^ folk rock there are countless jazz, classical and ethnic albums that count as well as electronic music i didn't make the thread. just telling ya what's been discussed :)
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^ i mentioned jazz and ragas way back and he said this is for rock and folk only
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Olé (18:17) from Olé Coltrane, released November 1961 in particular, are sidelong masterpieces. The latter was a huge influence for The Doors. of course Sonny Rollins' sidelong and aptly titled - The Freedom Suite (19:17) was released as early as 1958. -and before that Ravi Shankar's 28 minute long a-side track Rāga Jog off Music of India: Three Classical Rāgas was released in 1956. It's amazing. |
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^ maybe not. The date could be wrong and it seems that album could be a live album
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Oh my God! Frank Zappa is ousted! |
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According to LAST FM, Hansson & Karlsson's REX was released January 1st, 1968 Otherwise there is no other info about it. |
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Podium:
1) Sandy Bull: Blend (taken from Fantasias for guitar and banjo, 1963) 2) Hapshash and The Coloured Coat - Featuring The Human Host and the Heavy Metal Kids (1967): Empires of the Sun Here the full album: 3) Frank Zappa: Lumpy Gravy, part 1, may 1968 Edited by jamesbaldwin - April 15 2023 at 13:23 |
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O my God.... the winners are invisibile!
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Something else is, if not keeping strictly to Rock, I think, it'll get impossible.
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Maybe you should update your OP, Lorenzo. |
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I never knew till this week that the album had been divided into parts: my original vinyl just sounded like one continuous song, with no breaks, and several motifs. Even on the label of Side Two it's listed as "Part 3. Pursuance/Part 4. Psalm" which is different from Side One which lists "Part 1: Acknowledgment" and, as a second and clearly demarcated item, "Part 2: Resolution" -- all of which were recorded on the same day, December 9, 1964. Plus, encyclopedias say this: "A Love Supreme is a through-composed suite [sic] in four parts" --which, I thought, according to your OP, was exactly what you were looking for.?!?!?! |
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