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 moshkito wrote:

 Hugh Manatee wrote:

 moshkito wrote:

"The Last Temptation of Christ" ... read the book, "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" ... and while I liked this film, it is a subject matter that I do not enjoy as too much of it is based on horrible translations of news that was already at least 300 years old! 

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I'm not at all sure why you corelated this film with that particular book. I have read the book by Nikos Kazantzakis from which "The Last Temptation..." was adapted and although Paul Schrader made some interesting choices in what to include in his screenplay, on the whole it is a very good adaption, and I count it amongst my favorite Scorcese directed movies.

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Hi,

As do I, btw. (favorite film by Scorcese)

I like the Kazantzakis book, and in general it tells a story that has been around a lot more than it is accepted, or discussed. The "church" could not touch him, in Greece, which helped his status and ability to write it. The media onslaught would not get picked up in Greece like it would be in Rome, where so much of the media is owned by you know who! And, of course, loved spending its time going after American films, and the film makers after WW2 in Italy and Europe to try and make themselves more valuable in terms of "moral law" ... 

"Holy Blood, Holy Grail" is a very well documented historical work, and although its long discussion and follow up of the hidden group of things, is a bit on the tiring side, but so much of that history has been destroyed by the Catholic Church in the last 1000 years plus. It's easier so see how Kazantzakis wrote his book ... but it also tells you that the story has been around a long time, likely (STILL) in an oral tradition so it's "safer" than folks being persecuted for their "beliefs".

Either way, it's a hard discussion, because so much history and facts have been erased out, and the main church in the whole story, continues to place more importance on a fake story, so they could maintain a sense of control and favor for their catechism. The whole story is not on par with "human perception" ... at all ... it's all invented ideology for people that thought they "knew" God, and since they were the "leaders" of it all, they could determine what was decided. Hardly a good story, for one that creates a religion ... 

The hardest part, though, is that the translations from the original texts that have survived, are off the wall, and so different, which only confuses matters all the more. 

BTW, I have never read the "Da Vinci" thing, or enjoyed seeing in the film or two about it. I thought it was more misinformation, to confuse folks even more. In the end, "movie stories" helps hide all the stuff in the Vatican that keeps history erased.

It doesn't help that "Holy Blood and Holy Grail" was based largely on a made-up document. "The Da Vinci Code" is a mish mash of history borrowed from all over the place, much of which is unrelated and twisted to form a rather standard murder mystery, all be it on a rather controversial subject for some, mostly because it introduced concepts that aren't normally considered by mainstream readers.

The history of the Bible is indeed twisted to the point that it totally lacks any sort of credibility for me and that in itself is a subject that can long be discussed.

Suffice it to say that one of my favorite scenes from "The Last Temptation..." is the meeting between Jesus and Paul that demonstrates how little the historical Jesus actually matters to the whole story.

Edited by Hugh Manatee - February 20 2023 at 15:58

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