Roger Waters

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David_D wrote: But, Atavachron, you're still my Jew Brother, even I'm only half a Jew, ethnically speaking, and certainly not religious - except from being half a Marxist.

Stressed Cheese wrote: Atavachron wrote: Unbelievable.  Anyone else?   Maybe Stressed Cheese, you got anymore sparkling wisdom you'd like to share?   Hmm? I shared basically one thought on this a few pages back - one that you agreed with. Other than that I haven't really talked about this, because I don't pretend I'm the leading expert on this (compare how little I've said about the Israel/Palestine conflict with what I said on the dutch farmer situation). So this hostility is uncalled for. Even if you disagree with someone, you don't have to automatically assume the worst about people and make it personal. I think if you're naming people who haven't talked about this topic for a couple pages to drag them back in because you hope they say something that you can disagree with, it might be time to take a step back and think if arguing with strangers on the internet is really the best way to spend your free time.

kenethlevine wrote: David_D wrote: But I'm afraid, Bardberic, that the policies and actions of the Israeli governments and the kind of opinions like yours  may cause some anti-semitism.  Besides that, I've experienced quite a lot of racism in Israel in relation to not only the Palestinians but all the Arabs. sounds like you are trying to justify anti semitism here, thereby contributing to the difficulties some have distinguishing anti zionism and anti semitism, on both sides of this subject

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David_D wrote: ....while all talk about anti-Zionism being anti-semitic is pure BS, my friend.

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bardberic wrote:  It does seem there are a lot of Jews and Israelim on this site - I guess we really do like prog, huh?

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Awesoreno wrote: ^ I'm actually learning a lot and am interested. But, granted, I am another individual who actively reads up on this subject and ongoing conflict both in Israel and in the US. I need to feel informed since I'm constantly discussing with very adamant fellow Jews who berate me for not fully supporting every decision the Israeli government makes and having any sympathy for Palestinians, and other progressives who criticize me or question my lefty credentials for even suggesting that their views on the subject are incomplete and biased (and put the existence of a safe haven for the Jewish people in jeopardy). I think many people here on the forum are more open-minded and curious than you give them credit for, but I understand your skepticism considering most people in the world are certainly not, and will not even consider the possibility they could be wrong or misinformed.

Yes, I do agree upon reviewing my comments they do seem to be quite pessimistic. I'll try to be a bit less abrasive from here on out. I discuss this issue a lot with people and 9/10 times, from my experience, my interactions are with people who read a handful of headlines and believe they are experts on the subjects and try to scholar me on the "facts" they have been misled to believe, which is why I don't like elaborating on my essentially blanketed statements. I really only came here to discuss how Roger Waters got what he deserved, not about Israel, but of course it turned into a whole thing about Israel - this is a Roger Waters thread, not an Israel thread. That's my fault for not holding my peace, I suppose.

It does seem there are a lot of Jews and Israelim on this site - I guess we really do like prog, huh?