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Topic: Is "Roundabout" POP? Posted: October 12 2005 at 14:35 |
Logos wrote:
It's one of the best prog songs ever - and that's all that matters. |
thats what i'mtalking about
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Logos
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 13:42 |
It's one of the best prog songs ever - and that's all that matters.
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 13:22 |
eduardossc wrote:
Just wondering. Is Roundabout a POP song with superb instrumentation?. Prog-pop perhaps ? |
you are pop
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 12:27 |
God no
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 08:09 |
anotherbrick wrote:
ColinInLA wrote:
Does it truly matter one way or another? Why must it be labled?
The virtue of reaching and pleasing a lot of ears neither makes a song good nor bad. The same goes for complexity of arrangement or instrumentation.
The fact that we're still even discussing the relative merits of this 33 year old song says it all. It's a standout piece of work that - perhaps more than any other of their compositions - defines what has made YES one of the world's major acts. Without a doubt, it's their signature song.
If music moves you, lables are superfluous.
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Well said! We listen to it because we like it! Not because of the clothes it wears, so to speak.
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Iīve always thought the same thing. The reason I started this poll is because I still donīt understand most of proggers watching at the label before listening to the music and what it makes them feel. Look at the "Duke" reviews. The first lines are always something like: "This is not early Genesis", "This is their first pop album", "This is not foxtrot and it is too poppy". In the end, the whole album is enjoyable from the very beggining to the last song. For many at least. Of course itīs not prog in the purest sense, so what?.
In the same way, Roundabout may have these poppy and catchy choruses all over, still, the song is great, be it as it may. One of my favourite songs ever is "Donīt forget about me" by Simple minds. Pure pop. Still, itīs full of energy, passion and conviction. I may as well listen every "Lizardīs" single second and feel excited. You are very right at pointing out: "If music moves you, labels are superfluous"
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 00:15 |
ColinInLA wrote:
Does it truly matter one way or another? Why must it be labled?
The virtue of reaching and pleasing a lot of ears neither makes a song good
nor bad. The same goes for complexity of arrangement or instrumentation.
The fact that we're still even discussing the relative merits of this 33 year old
song says it all. It's a standout piece of work that - perhaps more than any
other of their compositions - defines what has made YES one of the world's
major acts. Without a doubt, it's their signature song.
If music moves you, lables are superfluous.
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Well said! We listen to it because we like it! Not because of the clothes it wears, so to speak.
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 00:14 |
Roundabout has too many common-prog elements to be pop for me, and in
comparison to "Owner Of A Lonely Heart", could possibly be disgracing
to refer to it as pop.
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Posted: October 11 2005 at 23:38 |
Does it truly matter one way or another? Why must it be labled?
The virtue of reaching and pleasing a lot of ears neither makes a song good
nor bad. The same goes for complexity of arrangement or instrumentation.
The fact that we're still even discussing the relative merits of this 33 year old
song says it all. It's a standout piece of work that - perhaps more than any
other of their compositions - defines what has made YES one of the world's
major acts. Without a doubt, it's their signature song.
If music moves you, lables are superfluous.
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Posted: October 11 2005 at 23:14 |
Well, I guess Trotsky has answered the question- prog rock it may be, but also pop.
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Posted: October 11 2005 at 22:38 |
Roundabout was a surprise Top 10 hit single back in 1972, cobb ... at least I think so ...
but the album version on Fragile is quality prog-rock in my book, not pop at all ...
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Posted: October 11 2005 at 22:07 |
pop - short for popular - was roundabout ever popular?
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Posted: October 11 2005 at 19:48 |
flying teapot wrote:
I would agree with Royal Jelly, thing were less defined at the end of the sixties. That is how we can see Santana, jefferson airplane, Yes, the Moodies, or Janis Joplin on the pop chart. Music was evolving rapidly, the short 3 minute dities were on their way out, and longer cuts became radio play as FM radio started to expand...Then came AOR radio, and I remember seeing some long songs in the charts...In a Gadda da Vida,By iron Buttelfy, "Music",By John Miles (great song), There was song by Eric Carmen that was long, and charted well, and i also remember something from a duo of piano players, Twins I believe called Mark and Clark that was very extensive and charted well in Holland.
I think Yes has done Poppier things than Roundabout, and one problem if you hear a song often or played to death you will soon enough learn to hate it. Roundabout may have suffered from that, but technically and musically it is a masterpiece and well crafted piece of music.
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Posted: October 11 2005 at 18:45 |
NO!!!!
Just because it sounds slightly commercial doesn't make it Pop. 90125 is pop.
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Posted: October 11 2005 at 18:11 |
It's not pop. I just think it was written and happened to become popular. Not
that it was written for the purpose of selling.
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The Miracle
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Posted: October 11 2005 at 18:08 |
Not really, it's the poppier song on the album, but any album needs a radio friedly single to sell. It's still good.
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Posted: October 11 2005 at 16:43 |
It's funny, Genesis was the band that led me into listening to progrock. A friend of mine, who was into country-rock, said: "Well, you'll probably like Yes too. That's symphonic rock too". I thought to myself: "Yes? I don't think so! I only know 2 hitsingles, Roundabout and Owner Of A Lonely Heart". Only when I listened to their albums, I found out that they were really progressive.
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Posted: October 11 2005 at 16:42 |
I would agree with Royal Jelly, thing were less defined at the end of the sixties. That is how we can see Santana, jefferson airplane, Yes, the Moodies, or Janis Joplin on the pop chart. Music was evolving rapidly, the short 3 minute dities were on their way out, and longer cuts became radio play as FM radio started to expand...Then came AOR radio, and I remember seeing some long songs in the charts...In a Gadda da Vida,By iron Buttelfy, "Music",By John Miles (great song), There was song by Eric Carmen that was long, and charted well, and i also remember something from a duo of piano players, Twins I believe called Mark and Clark that was very extensive and charted well in Holland.
I think Yes has done Poppier things than Roundabout, and one problem if you hear a song often or played to death you will soon enough learn to hate it. Roundabout may have suffered from that, but technically and musically it is a masterpiece and well crafted piece of music.
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Posted: October 11 2005 at 16:41 |
^ Yea, that's a clever conclusion!
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Posted: October 11 2005 at 16:40 |
I have always felt it had a pop ''feel'' to it, but not purely poppish of course!
Not your common 4/4 song, but the atmosphere, the recurrent bassline, etc. makes it somewhat of a poppish song.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: October 11 2005 at 16:39 |
Pop? The band released a shortened version as a hit single, and Rick Wakeman called that "a musical abortion".
Maybe we should call the single version "pop" and the album version "progressive rock". How about that?
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