Free prog vsti recommendations?

That's quite impressive, thanks ! 

And it integrates with EZ Drummer. Could be a positive purchase there. 

I've toyed with the idea of getting an electronic (mesh head) kit for years and hooking it up by MIDI. The problem is then that I'd be playing it, and my timing is always sloppy. Sax player "swing" thing. ;-)

I won't live long enough to be able to play drums to a level I'd be happy with, either. ;-) 

Edited by ExittheLemming - October 23 2021 at 07:25

"you can not be telling me that you can "feel" the material in the old days ... because the technical side of you building these things takes away that feel, into a mechanical, and somewhat intellectual side of creating music"

So anyone who builds a guitar then can't play it ?

Does the amount of books you have in a house confer expertise in all subjects ?

Are you incapable of putting a coherent, structured argument together ?



Edited by Davesax1965 - October 22 2021 at 02:37

Not a reader ?

I've got an Honours Degree in English Language and Literature. The house is full of books. It's like a library in here. I am absolutely 100% aware of the history of Tangerine Dream and I am also 100% aware of the technology they used, down to circuit diagrams. 

I also build my own synthesizers from components, if you remember. 

Modern man ? I'm 56, Pedro. And I've already said "Yes, there is a compositional use for VSTs but they don't compare to the real instrument." And the synths I build are based on 70's designs and technologies. I think you can absolutely safely class me as an authority on the matter. 

Do me the great favour of ignoring me and I'll happily reciprocate. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Other than that you've "read a book". 

Edited by Davesax1965 - October 21 2021 at 04:09

So how were those two posts connected ?

The specific ambient temperature of a venue has no effect on oscillator drift, so long as it's kept constant. Which is why they contain tempco resistors as adjusters. 

And "the next round of digital synths" sounded pretty much like their analogue forbears. If you were, say, Helen Keller. 




Edited by Davesax1965 - October 18 2021 at 09:35

The reason why two Moogs didn't sound the same was that tolerance of electronic parts was very wide back in the 60's and early 70's. I've seen resistors and capacitors from that time which were much as 20% out. Theoretically, you'd put a trim potentiometer in to make sure you got a correct voltage at one point, but they're actually not there in the older Moog designs. 

Plus, since all the PCBs were hand etched - you draw a circuit on the board using a pen and then acid etch the copper layer off - all the boards are different resistances as well. There's 1001 reasons why two hand built synths don't sound similar and whilst the Moogs are a very simple design, each one is different. 

The "Moog sound" relies on a transistor ladder filter which introduces distortion as the signal passes through several stages of transistor and capacitor filter stages. Because there are two transistors per stage of the ladder, each had to be performance matched (which is a black art in itself) . With modern transistors, you can bet performance is within the required parameters, but if you get hold of System 55 (etc) then you've got a filter which is now nearly 60 years old. So it'll have some degree of degradation in it somewhere. 

As Moog got more established, they produced much more complicated modules like the Bode filter and vocoder, which is basically a many stage filter. So, whilst they're made of slightly better stuff, they're much more complicated electronically and therefore with more individual variation. 

Etc etc etc. If anyone tells me you can replicate this in software - and my job is in software - then they're just *wrong*. You might be able to approximate it, but "approximate" is a very broad term. 

Put it like this. If a VST Arturia Moog Modular and MIDI keyboard sounded exactly like a 60's Moog Modular, they'd be selling it for much more. 

Edited by ExittheLemming - October 14 2021 at 09:23

Cboi Sandlin wrote: why dont you use like, real instruments

why dont you use like, real instruments

Slightly off-topic but you might come up with something interesting by playing around with something like Pure Data or SuperCollider.