Modern/New Prog

FatherChristmas wrote: Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: Zeuhl is a genre based on Magma's approach, broadly its bands with a similar approach. Features jazz fusion with heavy driving fuzz bass and normally heavy on keys. Often repetitive and drving. RIO comes from the original Rock In Opposition movement in the 70s where Henry Cow, Univers Zero and a few others self organized due to lack of label support and promoted each other across Europe. Nowadays it is used to refer to avant garde experimental dissonant bands who merge rock, jazz, classical. Magma were doing their own thing around the same time as RIO and moved in th same circles. They are probably grouped together as there is plenty of crossover and fans tend to like both. Thanks.

Zeuhl is a genre based on Magma's approach, broadly its bands with a similar approach. Features jazz fusion with heavy driving fuzz bass and normally heavy on keys. Often repetitive and drving.

RIO comes from the original Rock In Opposition movement in the 70s where Henry Cow, Univers Zero and a few others self organized due to lack of label support and promoted each other across Europe. Nowadays it is used to refer to avant garde experimental dissonant bands who merge rock, jazz, classical.

Magma were doing their own thing around the same time as RIO and moved in th same circles. They are probably grouped together as there is plenty of crossover and fans tend to like both.

Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - September 20 2020 at 16:20

Zeuhl and RIO have hella crossover.

The classics to start with are Henry Cow, Univers Zero, Thinking Plague. Let me know what you think and I'll recommend others

^Suppose not. Well, I think there's a band called Magma that are pretty good in that area, so I'll listen to them.

And here are some French school children being exposed to modern prog, music starts around 3.20.

^Well, I might get round to making this index, but it'll take a long time. 

FatherChristmas wrote: ^Right. Got it. I'm glad this thread was revived. Modern Prog needs appreciation!

FatherChristmas wrote: Boboulo wrote: FatherChristmas wrote: Boboulo wrote: Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: Boboulo wrote: Prog-jester wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Echolyn AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Discipline Love 'em both, especially Discipline. Modern-prog though? Nah, they're heavily inspired by Gentle Giant (Echolyn) and VDGG (Discipline), and of course also by Genesis and King Crimson. So yeah, modern-era prog bands but definitely retro-prog style-wise "Retro-prog" style doesn't exist, actually. Simple as that, there is Progressive rock genre and the genre framework. Personally I think it's unfair that we call the new bands “retro” just because they create their music within the genre framework and don't mix it with Alt.Rock. As one of such bands, I would like to mention Guranfoe, an instrumental Progressive rock band from England, which I think that is pretty underrated and deserves more attention. It's a label, to identify music that harkens back to the 70's sound, typically by using vintage instruments and writing styles. It helps people looking for that type of music find that kind of music. If it wasn't useful we wouldn't use it. That's how words work. Alternatively lets not use a useful term because it doesn't fit some complicated construct. Well, maybe I should have said that "modern prog" doesn't exist actually. Because “proggy” Alt.Rock is not Progressive rock; "proggy" pseudo-avantgarde is also not Progressive rock, etc. If you don't think modern prog exists then: a. Your senses are lying to you, there are a huge number of bands formed in recent years. b. No offence, but don't post on a modern prog thread. You'll anger people. Chiefly me. I just want to say that there's no “retro” and “modern” genre framework; there is only one Progressive rock and many styles within that one framework that is 50 years old - and has no intention of disappearing... And I really don't know how that can make people "angry". Oh, you mean there isn't a new prog sub-genre? Yes, that's true. I thought you were trying to ignore the existance of modern prog as a rule. Which would make a lot of people angry, especially on a modern prog thread.

A music genre is not a car body design that there can be a retro variant. Thus, there is only one Progressive rock as a genre as sure as eggs is eggs. Of course, Progressive rock has its sub-genres, like for example "neo-progressive rock", but a subgenre also cannot be divided into "modern" and "retro" version. Well, if there really are "modern prog" and "retro prog", then there would also have to be a "post-modern prog" and "super-retro" or "antique-prog", what would be ridiculous definitely.

Boboulo wrote: FatherChristmas wrote: Boboulo wrote: Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: Boboulo wrote: Prog-jester wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Echolyn AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Discipline Love 'em both, especially Discipline. Modern-prog though? Nah, they're heavily inspired by Gentle Giant (Echolyn) and VDGG (Discipline), and of course also by Genesis and King Crimson. So yeah, modern-era prog bands but definitely retro-prog style-wise "Retro-prog" style doesn't exist, actually. Simple as that, there is Progressive rock genre and the genre framework. Personally I think it's unfair that we call the new bands “retro” just because they create their music within the genre framework and don't mix it with Alt.Rock. As one of such bands, I would like to mention Guranfoe, an instrumental Progressive rock band from England, which I think that is pretty underrated and deserves more attention. It's a label, to identify music that harkens back to the 70's sound, typically by using vintage instruments and writing styles. It helps people looking for that type of music find that kind of music. If it wasn't useful we wouldn't use it. That's how words work. Alternatively lets not use a useful term because it doesn't fit some complicated construct. Well, maybe I should have said that "modern prog" doesn't exist actually. Because “proggy” Alt.Rock is not Progressive rock; "proggy" pseudo-avantgarde is also not Progressive rock, etc. If you don't think modern prog exists then: a. Your senses are lying to you, there are a huge number of bands formed in recent years. b. No offence, but don't post on a modern prog thread. You'll anger people. Chiefly me. I just want to say that there's no “retro” and “modern” genre framework; there is only one Progressive rock and many styles within that one framework that is 50 years old - and has no intention of disappearing... And I really don't know how that can make people "angry".