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scruffydragon 
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 Topic: Are captchas killing PA?
Posted: August 06 2017 at 11:09 |
I have tried to read through everything posted here in this thread, and will read on a little more. The Captcha are simply making it difficult to post. It's not killing it yet but it will certainly change the face of the forum as we know it. Over last few days lost several reply's to threads. Some I have saved before trying to submit, others I have re-written and others due to lack of time or having given up have left alone. I don't think they are totally killing P.A. The Captcha are likely to turn people away especially new blood which we need to keep the forum alive and fresh. There seems to be a trend at the moment where long established forums which once had very healthy populations of very lively people have virtually gone quiet. In some cases it may be that virtually everything that can be said has been said and new people are finding it difficult to join in with ongoing conversations or add new threads. Then again it may just be the natural norm for this age we live in. At least two forums I have been members of for many years are now the home of no more then half a dozen people who constantly answer each others posts. When a new person posts they are ignored. I have not seen that here,so it is a very friendly forum. It is still very daunting to post here even as an established member as it's only the music that interests me as a whole. I am not a musician ,or a philosopher, or a music historian so I can only join in on a very basic level. I do have problems often writing replies, It's difficult to try to think of something to add to a conversation and even tying my reply may take several attempts and edits. So yeah!, the Captcha is making things difficult so unless you really want to get through and post a reply desperately people are just as likely to give up and do something else instead. P.S It's taken me a whole Renaissance album to write this, and possibly several more to get it through the Captcha,  .  Don't preview your posts either as that also tends to prompt the Captcha to kick in. 
Edited by scruffydragon - August 06 2017 at 11:11
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dr wu23
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Posted: July 10 2017 at 13:57 |
Maybe we can all send a nasty comment to web wiz forums ...?
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SteveG
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Posted: July 08 2017 at 08:52 |
 The Dark Elf wrote:
I have cut my comments back a lot because I get annoyed that I have to save every damn post before Captcha kills it. |
That's where I'm at today. This is for the birds.
Edited by SteveG - July 11 2017 at 04:21
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Tapfret
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Posted: July 02 2017 at 15:52 |
Replayer wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Maybe I missed the explanation...but why are Captchas here on the forum? Is this a web site choice ....the mods...or what? |
As I understand it, there was a surge of scripted spamming originating from India and the Captcha tests were introduced to remedy that. For some unknown reason, the validation more often than not fails and the user loses all their post content. I think posts containing images have a higher chance of triggering a Captcha check, but I've definitely had it happen to me when posting only text.
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Not spam. All evidence points to this being more about DNS attacks.
There are things that I have noticed decrease the likelihood of recaptcha quizzes:
Accurate system clock Latest OS security patches Updated AV/MW definition Posting from a non-MS OS Limiting links and embedded content (edit...almost forgot this one) Simultaneous streaming while posting
Nothing seems to prevent it 100%, but I have noticed a difference when I make sure the above issues are addressed. I still copy my text before posting.
Edited by Tapfret - July 02 2017 at 15:59
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Tapfret
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Posted: July 02 2017 at 15:43 |
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^Make PA great again...bring back the wacky family party avatar!
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: July 02 2017 at 13:38 |
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Should've said "threads": http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=111123
But yeah, one more time:
The admins and mods have no say in the big decisions and much of the time they're just as much in the dark as you are. No big secrets or hush hush keep it on the down low...just a lack of communication though not on our part.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: July 02 2017 at 12:47 |
dr wu23 wrote:
So who actually owns the website and why can't the mods talk to them about this...? |
Doc please we've been through this a couple of times now - just read the thread.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: July 02 2017 at 12:08 |
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I have cut my comments back a lot because I get annoyed that I have to save every damn post before Captcha kills it.
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dr wu23
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Posted: July 02 2017 at 11:05 |
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So who actually owns the website and why can't the mods talk to them about this...?
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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SteveG
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Posted: June 30 2017 at 04:40 |
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^Well, that explains a lot.
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Thatfabulousalien
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Posted: June 29 2017 at 20:11 |
SteveG wrote:
^It seems to have been added by the site's mysterious owner. |
....rumored to be Tom Cruise and Russel Brand
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Replayer
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Posted: June 29 2017 at 19:52 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Maybe I missed the explanation...but why are Captchas here on the forum? Is this a web site choice ....the mods...or what? |
As I understand it, there was a surge of scripted spamming originating from India and the Captcha tests were introduced to remedy that. For some unknown reason, the validation more often than not fails and the user loses all their post content. I think posts containing images have a higher chance of triggering a Captcha check, but I've definitely had it happen to me when posting only text.
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SteveG
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Posted: June 29 2017 at 14:38 |
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^It seems to have been added by the site's mysterious owner.
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 29 2017 at 13:15 |
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Maybe I missed the explanation...but why are Captchas here on the forum? Is this a web site choice ....the mods...or what?
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: June 28 2017 at 18:12 |
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OP: "What's PA?" asked the robot.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: June 26 2017 at 02:45 |
lazland wrote:
I have never had the crappy cha cha thing, which I think is something to do with posting on my iPad.
I have tonight, though, started to get a message telling me the intertit is redirecting me to PA, checking that the site is safe?
I have never seen this before, but I was kicked out a couple of times with the forum permission error message. |
yup, I've experienced this this morning at work... but not at home during the w-e (though I'm not sure I actually logged in) And last Friday, I couldn't access some album pages , because of potential sexual contents.
Edited by Sean Trane - June 30 2017 at 06:58
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Thatfabulousalien
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Posted: June 25 2017 at 20:11 |
infocat wrote:
Thatfabulousalien wrote:
I have almost completely stopped using emoticons now because they increase the chance that my post will be declined. Now people can't tell when I'm sarcastic, joking or serious, lol |
You can't be serious...
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Yep, lots of that
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
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infocat
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Posted: June 25 2017 at 20:02 |
Thatfabulousalien wrote:
I have almost completely stopped using emoticons now because they increase the chance that my post will be declined. Now people can't tell when I'm sarcastic, joking or serious, lol |
You can't be serious...
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Thatfabulousalien
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Posted: June 25 2017 at 19:27 |
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I have almost completely stopped using emoticons now because they increase the chance that my post will be declined. Now people can't tell when I'm sarcastic, joking or serious, lol
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
https://www.soundcloud.com/user-322914325
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Mascodagama
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Posted: June 25 2017 at 15:25 |
A cynic might posit the following thesis: 1. PA is commercially worthless and unsaleable. The advertising revenue to be derived from its ever-shrinking userbase of ageing and penniless music obsessives, oddballs and sexual perverts does not defray the server costs. 2. However, just shutting the site down would carry certain risks given that some of said obsessives have pyschological characteristics that uncannily fit the Unabomber template in the FBI / Ladybird book of criminal profiling. 3. Therefore it's preferable to systematically drive away the userbase by making the site more and more unusable until there are only three or four prog nerds left. Because if there are less than five potential suspects, and policemen can count up to five (they have fingers) it would be too risky for someone to eighty-six the site owner. 
Edited by Mascodagama - June 25 2017 at 15:33
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