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Posted: February 21 2018 at 21:04
That bloody rock/classical divide,aaarrGHHH! To me, there's just music (aside from versificator music but that don't count). I know plenty of 'snobs' on both sides who won't look at the other, merely because it is the other. Their loss ... I just wish there was a way to give Mozart an electric guitar, I am absolutely certain he would have absolutely loved an instrument with that range of expression. But then he isn't even proper classical, he's more baroque.
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Posted: November 20 2016 at 08:53
KingCrInuYasha wrote:
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IIRC, another quibble Roger (and Nick Mason) had was that the suite had some performance issues, specifically that they had to do the rhythm section in one go, due to EMI not allowing the band to go back and edit parts that didn't cut the mustard. As a result, some tempo issues crop up from time to time.
While "Atom Heart Mother" isn't quite the polished number that "Echoes" is, I think this lack of polish gives the piece a charm of its own.
That "lack of polish" ... is something that only a "musician" would note, since most of us can not hear it or pick up on it, and can listen to the piece just fine.
When musicians start to break it down like that, it means they are losing their ability to let the music flow on its own, and to allow it to live. This is the problem with today's DAW's and the like. The freedom to not be tied down and nailed, is gone. Totally gone. On top of it, the commercial side of the world would have you think that doing that is evil and not cool, and you are not supporting your friends and the top ten!
Edited by moshkito - November 20 2016 at 08:54
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Posted: November 20 2016 at 08:49
Hi,
It will tell you the appreciation that some European folks have for "classical" music done with rock instruments, that rock music critics are afraid to enjoy. I also think there is a place for the mix of electric music and orchestra and choirs ... that is not explored a whole lot, and things like this, touch on it some.
There is no comparison between this and Echoes. Echoes is just a rock song in parts. This is a "symphony" in a couple of parts! And mind you, that Roland Petit even tried to make a ballet of it in Paris (I think it was), which was booed senseless by a rock audience that wanted more hits, not ballet, or a visual performance. Makes you wonder why Ian Anderson had a dead ballerina on the stage for his album and a searing indictment of lyrics in his own album.
This is sensational and I would love to see more of it. And done on other pieces, and please ... not on DSOTM! Or The Wall! Try Chuck Berry first!
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^ Well, it's not Pink Floyd nor Pompeii but it's still epic as hell
Thanks man I thoroughly enjoyed that. Very very close to the original maybe bar the inexplicable Floyd-essence that nobody but the band themselves could ever produce.
Still that cello bridge introducing the guitar-solo...oh my word. Beautiful.
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Posted: November 18 2016 at 21:11
Kimdino wrote:
'Six of one' or 'half a dozen' of the other. Each is special in its own way and I would refuse to choose between them. All I can say that, IMO, the greatest possible Floyd album would have 'Echoes' on one side and 'Atom Heart Mother' on the other. But perhaps that would be TOO much of a good thing.
My choice for a greatest Floyd album, in the sense I understand you, would be "Echoes", "Shine on you Crazy Diamond" and "Dogs". It might not fit an LP format, but it would fit nicely on a CD.
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Posted: November 18 2016 at 19:41
'Six of one' or 'half a dozen' of the other. Each is special in its own way and I would refuse to choose between them. All I can say that, IMO, the greatest possible Floyd album would have 'Echoes' on one side and 'Atom Heart Mother' on the other, and they would both be A sides. But perhaps that would be TOO much of a good thing.
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Posted: November 14 2016 at 09:36
moshkito wrote:
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AHM.
Echoes, in some ways, is almost a copy of AHM ... a bit more rock oriented than what AHM was. Of course, Roger will tell you that Echoes is more important, because they get paid for it, and they don't have to share 10 cents with Ron Geesin, who is probably more responsible for AHM than PF was.
IIRC, another quibble Roger (and Nick Mason) had was that the suite had some performance issues, specifically that they had to do the rhythm section in one go, due to EMI not allowing the band to go back and edit parts that didn't cut the mustard. As a result, some tempo issues crop up from time to time.
While "Atom Heart Mother" isn't quite the polished number that "Echoes" is, I think this lack of polish gives the piece a charm of its own.
Edited by KingCrInuYasha - November 14 2016 at 09:37
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Posted: November 14 2016 at 08:38
Hi,
AHM.
Echoes, in some ways, is almost a copy of AHM ... a bit more rock oriented than what AHM was. Of course, Roger will tell you that Echoes is more important, because they get paid for it, and they don't have to share 10 cents with Ron Geesin, who is probably more responsible for AHM than PF was.
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Posted: November 08 2016 at 20:05
Atom Heart Mother, i simply love that composition together with Alan's Psychodelic Breakfast, the perfect intro and perfect end to the perfect album. I really like Echoes too, but i can't abandon Atom Heart Mother.
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Posted: November 08 2016 at 20:00
AZF wrote:
I prefer "Sah Sah SAH SAH SAH HISSSS BRRRRRRRRRRR ROPBEEP!" to lyrics about an Albatross. I think the main riff is more heroic than the one Lloyd-Webber stole and altered slightly. So a post in support of a vote for Atom Heart Mother. It can't be talked down any lower for me from my third favourite Pink Floyd album. All time favourite album it makes me think when I listen to it, however!
Echoes lyrics are not about an Albatross. You need to pay much more attention to lyrics if you really think so.
Gonna have to go with Echoes. I still remember the first time I heard that eerie middle section. And then the following build-up that leads back into the reprise. Simply stunning! AHM is pretty good too, but it didn't have that profound emotional impact on me when I first heard it. Echoes all the way!
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Posted: November 08 2016 at 16:14
I like Atom Heart Mother, it's a fun experiment, it has pretty good parts but has a bit of a patchwork feel to it. Echoes is totally organic, absolute music, when I listen to it there's nothing else in the world. Second to none.
These days I'd most likely go for Atom Heart Mother, but I love both. There is something strangely enamouring about Floyd's early 70s work that really speaks to me - a wafting psychedelic ambiance that many since have tried replicating yet never succeeded in. Atom Heart Mother though remains unparalelled when it comes to the two - mostly because it is nigh on impossible to reproduce. Echoes has been covered by many different bands (Crippled Black Phoenix fx just released "their" take on it - which it really isn't as they basically just are playing the tune as close to the real deal as possible.), whereas AHM seems rather overlooked in that department. I blame Live at Pompeii....and the fact that AHM needs a deranged choir, half a symphony orchestra and some way of mixing different sounding music bits with the accompanying clatter in a live setting to work...or indeed a way of overriding all these facets. Like doing the choir bit with steel drums and a squeeky toy.
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But then he isn't even proper classical, he's more baroque.
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