I just listened to sebtp and foxtrot

I actually had the same exact reaction when I first heard Genesis.  I bought Foxtrot, I sort of liked Watcher of the Skies, didn't much like Time Table or Get 'em Out, really liked Can-Utility and Horizons, and wasn't sure what to make of Supper's Ready.

I admit it, it was the way Gabriel sang, it turned me off.  It was too weird, like he was purposely trying to sing funny (which he was).  The album sat on my shelf for quite awhile before I gave it another chance.

Then I heard The Musical Box, and I understood completely.  I think you kind of have to hear that song first to understand what Genesis was all about.  Now they're my favorite band, and Foxtrot is probably my favorite album from them.  Listen to Nursery Cryme or Live first.  Don't start with Foxtrot or Selling England (which are both better albums, but only if you understand Genesis a little more).

It also helps if you read the lyrics.  One of the things that makes Gabriel-era Genesis so great is the intelligent, and often twisted lyrics he wrote for them.

I can see what you mean about the 'Hey baby' on Suppers ready. okay- to be HONEST with everyone: Selling England By the pound=  Nursery Cryme=  but Foxtrot=.

Sorry to those who disagree but Foxtrot just isn't that great. There's something annoying, poppy, mainstream and non-progressive (ie: BORING) about the album, as a whole, incomparison with the ones released before and after it. It's 'nice' but it doesn't do it for me to the orgasmal extent that SEBTP does.

Trouserpress: sorry if I pissed you off hun but it was only because you seemed so incredibly BITTER about Genesis. Which hurt- as it does when anyone voices their hatred of music that you love so dearly. Music can be a personal thing- hence the reason why these forums and even reviews on this site can be so damn brutal. In a way. 

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Foxtrot - definitley a great album, only floored by its 'recorded inside a small box' sound. Kinda always ruined it for me...so i prefer the live versions.

Selling England by the pound - I think it is a great album, very good songs, though again, they are all better live.

Mnemosyne wrote: Trouserpress Wrote: Gabriel's cringeworthy, sorry "theatrical" vocals. Often uninspiring musicianship. Sickly tweeness. The inescapable feeling that the music has not aged AT ALL well. And yes, I do like prog as well. If anyone's thinking of suggesting otherwise because I too can't see the appeal of Genesis, then quite simply: f**k you.   @ Trouserpress: For Avant-Proggers like you and me, Genesis will always sound uninspiring. Let's face it. @ Everyone else (specially Genesis fans): Sorry, but IT DOES sound uninspiring and dull

Oh my god !!! Look at this guys  It seem that "Avant-Proggers" and God are synonyms. It's because of people like him that many thinks proggers are snobish. Sorry Mnemosyne, but your message is completely stupid and snob.

Genesis are my favorite bands, and I love all their cd of the Gabriel era plus some of the Collins/Hackett era. I'm a musician, I listen to a lot of music, and sorry, but I found Genesis inspiring, intelligent, and very good musicianship.

I don't care you don't like them, just don't think you are right for everyone telling that they are uninspiring. This is just a question of TASTE, not a hierachy where Avanat-Proggers are on the top ! 

Stupid........

Battle of Epping Forest is awesome.

Retrovertigo wrote: I am on Zooka and Trouserpress' side here.  Both of those albums to me are completely inconsistent and average.  I know that Genesis is an influential and big name in prog, but it doesn't mean their music is brilliant.  The only really good song they have to me is Firth of Fifth, that song is so cool compared to any other songs on both albums that it was probably an accident.  Try to convince me that anything on these albums are amazing.

A lot of music has to do with opinion, and remember just becuase you dont like them doesnt make them any less appealing to other people. Personally other than hot rats, i think everything Frank Zappa has done is rubbish. But I dont go on every Frank Zappa thread saying. "Its not any good, prove to me that its good even though you cant becuase its opinion and ill just act like its terrible and there isnt ANYTHING you can do about it!"