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Finnforest 
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Posted: June 21 2016 at 11:04 |
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PT might be a Band B for me personally, I prefer their 2000s albums to their 90s ones and generally think they got better over time.
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Manuelmoreno
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Posted: June 21 2016 at 10:42 |
Slightly OT:
What would be two real bands who fits this question? Anyone dares to put a name to A and B?
I feel that the band "B" scenario is very rare, while we can find many bands like "A". |
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Posted: June 12 2016 at 02:54 |
 Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
I'd go with band A and focus my listening on the first 4 albums. I have several bands like that in my collection and typically go with A. |
I'd say that 90% of the bands or artistes in the "rock realm" I listen to are that way - beit 70's or 90/00's... Most of the bands are at their most inventive early in their career, because they've got things to say... and after they've run out of r-original ideas, they go: "OK, what do we do now??" ... and it goes usually crap!!! And if there would some case B likely to please me, I'd probably not know of the band, since I generally set them aside once & for all, once I assessed them early on. It's quite different for jazz though, but it won't resemble case B either.
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 11 2016 at 22:29 |
BrufordFreak wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
Band A for me.
I've made no mystery of the fact that I love debuts and bands in their youth. The early years when bands are "brothers", when they are hungry, those years have a spark and spice to the creativity that no amount of later "mature refinement" is going to best, at least not in the world of rock and roll.
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Great attitude that I often find true and look for--especially with regards to debut albums as these are often compilations of a few years of very creative, energetic, optimistic music that has been polished by that hard-working enthusiasm of unproven youth (The Doors, Spirit, Chicago Transit Authority, Elton John, Nina Hagen Band, U2, Art in America, Babylon, Icehouse, Tears for Fears, Sade, Everything But the Girl, Swing Out Sister, Iona, Pearl Jam, Alanis Morissette, The Mars Volta, Moth Vellum, iamthemorning, Homunculus Res, etc., etc.,) . . . but not always . . . not ususally. |
Yep, it is often true about debuts and earlies but as you say, not always....there are some where mid period is my fave. Billy Joel would be one where I would pick mid period. Turnstiles through 52nd Street is his best run in my opinion. Special mention to Songs in the Attic that pulls the best live versions of his early material. That's a GREAT live album.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: June 11 2016 at 22:07 |
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I think the simplest answer is, which band do you prefer? There are any number of bands that receive high ratings which I find mystifying.
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Posted: June 11 2016 at 22:03 |
Finnforest wrote:
Band A for me.
I've made no mystery of the fact that I love debuts and bands in their youth. The early years when bands are "brothers", when they are hungry, those years have a spark and spice to the creativity that no amount of later "mature refinement" is going to best, at least not in the world of rock and roll.
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Great attitude that I often find true and look for--especially with regards to debut albums as these are often compilations of a few years of very creative, energetic, optimistic music that has been polished by that hard-working enthusiasm of unproven youth (The Doors, Spirit, Chicago Transit Authority, Elton John, Nina Hagen Band, U2, Art in America, Babylon, Icehouse, Tears for Fears, Sade, Everything But the Girl, Swing Out Sister, Iona, Pearl Jam, Alanis Morissette, The Mars Volta, Moth Vellum, iamthemorning, Homunculus Res, etc., etc.,) . . . but not always . . . not ususally.
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: June 11 2016 at 21:52 |
TheLionOfPrague wrote:
Band A. EASILY.
They have THREE albums that are better than anything Band A did, and in the end we judge bands by their great material, not their worst. People will remember Jethro Tull because of Thick as a Brick, not Under Wraps, ELP because of Brain Salad, not Love Beach, Genesis because Selling England, not Calling all Stations, etc.
The best output of a band is what matters to me, not their worst. If a band makes 3 masterpieces they can make 10 awful albums for all I care, and I'd take them over a band that makes 13 OK albums. |
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Posted: June 11 2016 at 18:07 |
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Band A for me because I would buy four of them while I might buy three from band B but probably two. I'm not a completist by any means so I'm only concerned with albums I might enjoy.
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Posted: June 04 2016 at 21:35 |
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This question actually leads to a kind of meta-rating. You have to keep in mind that these ratings are given by the average member of the archives. After all these average ratings for band B could mean the band is highly controversial - there are either those who hate the band or those who love it, with the corresponding ratings. On the other hand band A might have done some rather mainstream albums ("keep in mind that "mainstream" here means "mainstream in prog") which are loved by many for exactly this "mainstreaminess", if I may invent this word.
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 04 2016 at 18:26 |
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Band A for me.
I've made no mystery of the fact that I love debuts and bands in their youth. The early years when bands are "brothers", when they are hungry, those years have a spark and spice to the creativity that no amount of later "mature refinement" is going to best, at least not in the world of rock and roll.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Posted: June 04 2016 at 18:20 |
Band A. EASILY.
They have THREE albums that are better than anything Band A did, and in the end we judge bands by their great material, not their worst. People will remember Jethro Tull because of Thick as a Brick, not Under Wraps, ELP because of Brain Salad, not Love Beach, Genesis because Selling England, not Calling all Stations, etc.
The best output of a band is what matters to me, not their worst. If a band makes 3 masterpieces they can make 10 awful albums for all I care, and I'd take them over a band that makes 13 OK albums.
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Posted: June 04 2016 at 18:15 |
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Posted: June 04 2016 at 18:14 |
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Up to, and including G.O.O.D. Music productions, along with TIDAL thangZ, it's more or less an extension of the artist, tantamount to how the more prominent The Mars Volta musicians branched out to make a cohesive library.
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Posted: June 04 2016 at 18:11 |
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Kanye been killin' it for years.
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Rednight
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Posted: June 01 2016 at 14:04 |
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Someone shoot me.
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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Posted: June 01 2016 at 12:59 |
I'm sorry, but this is silly. Some questions have absolutely no meaning in the abstract. What do PA ratings have to do with my personal taste? They are a useful guide to be sure, but my personal tastes may differ. Are there not people who enjoy Love Beach?
If I did not know either band, I would be inclined to look at those peak recordings from Band A first. I don't need to appreciate an entire discography to admire an outstanding album, even if it was the only one of quality they released.
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More heavy prog, please!
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Man With Hat
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Posted: June 01 2016 at 12:31 |
Atavachron wrote:
In this case averages are irrelevant-- Band A has two albums you rate under 3, but all of band B's albums are 3.30 or higher. Further, band A started spectacularly and has been declining ever since, leaving a lot of disappointment, whereas Band B is on a seemingly perpetual upswing.
Band B has the best discography.
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I agree with this.
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Lewian
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Posted: June 01 2016 at 12:27 |
progaardvark wrote:
One could consider taking the median instead of the mean since the distribution doesn't appear to be bell-shaped, in which case Band A has the higher median. Another possibility of determining who was better is rating the individual songs. One could either take a median of those values or which band has the most songs over a certain rating. That's probably a bit time consuming, but it might afford a bit more granularity. This can get really complicated, if you want it to be. |
I'd say that whether the distribution is bell-shaped or not doesn't matter at all; what matters is whether one personally values consistency and an upward trend rather than producing a number of top albums and the waning. The median seems to be quite inappropriate here because it doesn't depend on how good the best albums exactly are (and neither on the worst), it just depends on what goes on in the core of mediocrity.
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Lewian
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Posted: June 01 2016 at 12:22 |
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Questions like this imply that there has to be an answer but there may be none.
Anyway, personally I would go for A because I care more about the best albums than about the worst. But then this may be changed by more information, for example, band B may have the top 5 songs out of these, even hidden on 3.something albums...
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progaardvark
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Posted: June 01 2016 at 07:45 |
One could consider taking the median instead of the mean since the distribution doesn't appear to be bell-shaped, in which case Band A has the higher median. Another possibility of determining who was better is rating the individual songs. One could either take a median of those values or which band has the most songs over a certain rating. That's probably a bit time consuming, but it might afford a bit more granularity. This can get really complicated, if you want it to be.
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