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The Hemulen 
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 Topic: The Voices of Robert Wyatt - BBC Radio DocumentaryPosted: October 07 2012 at 08:37 |
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Charming little thing, this. Just Robert Wyatt talking about his life, work and beliefs for 30 minutes. Well worth a listen.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01n11cz |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: October 07 2012 at 08:38 |
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Thanks. I was going to post this the other day and totally forgot.
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: October 07 2012 at 08:45 |
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I posted it in the Listening to thread as I caught it completely by accident while at work. Its good. I had no idea where to post it really. There ought to be somewhere where these things don't go missing?
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Logan
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Posted: October 07 2012 at 09:06 |
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I'm listening to it now.
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hellogoodbye
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Posted: October 07 2012 at 09:19 |
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Love this live version of LEFT ON MAN. Better for me than the original.
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Logan
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Posted: October 07 2012 at 10:06 |
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Yeah, that's a very nice. cover. Speaking of covers, after talking
about Wyatt's accident I was surprised that he chose that Louis
Armstrong cover (What a Wonderful World) by Robert Wyatt rather than
something off Rock Bottom (no excerpt of Rock Bottom at all that I
caught , but then my son was interrupting me so I could have missed
it). It's always a joy to listen to Robert Wyatt, he may not drink any
longer, but he's still the musician I'd most like to sit down at a pub
with. He's so down-t- Earth and self-deprecatory, interesting, sense of
humour and comes across as so good natured, and I love his music. He's
a favourite personality of mine. Great guy.
Boring family anecdote, and I don't like to drop names either, but this is so insignificant that I don't care and why would anyone care? He mentioned being a flatmate of Julie Christie at one time If I heard correctly, and my mother was a flatmate of Julie Christie in the early 60s. |
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moshkito
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Posted: October 07 2012 at 16:23 |
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Not really. Later Julie and Eno spent time together and he wrote a very pretty song for her! She was not exactly a free spirit, but she was not beyond doing different things and spending time with different people. The first hint of this is in "Tonite We All Love in London" when Julie is also one of the folks that are quoted ... as well as others ... and all of them had been a part of the same house ... where many of them lived and shared, up to and including Syd, Daevid, Robert, Kevin and at least 2 very well known writers (Ginsberg and Burroughs) ... and some artists, one of which did some art work for Brian Eno later. Michael Caine and Lee Marvin were also around there. And you know the fun they were having (if you can call it that), when the comments about "freedom" are made in mini skirts ... and Lee Marvin says ... yeah ... go ahead ... show us your freedom! All in all, like many "art scenes" that eventually make it, there is a centralized group of many disciplines that inspire each other. Sometimes things come together and sometimes they don't. London's did. Paris, generally did, but was politically killed off quickly in French style without the guillotines. Germany did. NY did -- but is not considered "progressive" and its arts, music and literature is almost 2nd to none! SF did, but was ravaged by the abuses of sex and drugs and Altamont (perfect example!). LA did, but was ravaged by Hollywood that did not want competitors! The London scene surviced in one piece, better than others ... way better ... mostly because they had the music press to help them ... in America there was no press ... except tv making fun of dirty hippies and dope and sex ... which the American media machine helped kill off quickly. I posted a note on Robert's latest recording ... which was ... interesting ... though I think that he and Daevid Allen are taking this "beat poet'ism" a bit too far ... and are starting to sound like kids playing with the blocks ... or words ... and terms and expressions ... as an expression for babbling in our old age!  On that same day, I got myself a copy of "Rock Bottom", and I still think it is magnificent ... but when you compare that to the latest and to "Fictitious Sports" ... you scratch your head and go ... ok ... whatevuh! ... but I do like the complete anti-tradition thing ... and total let go ... and you know the "lyrics" will be different tomorrow, right? Lastly ... there is only one person that has not talked about all this ... Kevin Ayers. But rumors are that he had a penchant for having some pie with all the wives and ladies in the place ... and then some ... which caused many folks to not like him, etc, etc, etc ... specially if they were of the American persuasion and did not understand the "commune" rules in the house! Daevid has some very funny anecdotes about it all, but is still kinda blaze and not saying a whole lot about it other that he lived there and that Burroughs wanted to have sex with him. It's no secret that Burroughs and Ginsberg had a different set of preferences. There was a "side house" similar to this one ... but you have to see the film "Performance" (leave the story behind some ... !!!) and you should have a pretty good idea of the place, time and such and artists coming and going ... there is literature, there is painting, there is film, there is theater and there is music! And people are there for more than just that!
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Man With Hat
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Posted: October 08 2012 at 03:21 |
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
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frippism
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Posted: October 08 2012 at 04:26 |
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:D
awesome. He's such a sweet man he is
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There be dragons
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HolyMoly
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Posted: October 08 2012 at 08:17 |
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I've heard the first 10 minutes so far, will listen to the rest later. Nice.
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moshkito
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Posted: October 13 2012 at 15:25 |
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Hi,
Spent time listening to this yesterday ... and yeah ... it is very nice and enjoyable. Having some visuals would be nice, but that is the BBC for you ... always hiding something, when they don't have to -- it's a part of their upper crust class thing, you know! All in all, there are interesting things in there ... and for all intents and purposes, he carries it really well, but it is interesting that they chose to not show anyone asking questions or giving him ideas about anything. He does not speak enough about the early days. Or his musical experiences then, to help provide a nice historical document. I have not read the book, btw -- can't find it! The only thing about music that he really discusses that I was able to grasp -- I will listen to it again -- is when he talks about melody and his response to music, which in the end is very intuitive, and much more in tune with his own voice and experience than it is with "music" per se as written and studied in school. However, I did not get the impression that he did not KNOW music at all and might, in fact, be creating things against the grain of the music process ... which is where he works. He is a "beat poet" of music ... and my recent "slight" review of his last album has a term that I thought would get a reaction out of it, but was left behind ... when I mentioned that I really thought that too much of this "beat-poetism" was being used as an excuse for our ageing along, and babbling as we get older. What a fine concept that PA will no doubt miss! Or not enjoy, because it is not about "melody", any more than it is about anything else! In the end, you get a nice visit with a man that is not angry or bitter about his past, and he knows that he has done well, and thank you. He's a nice man, all around ... even if his music is not something that most of us will ever appreciate or understand ... but was one of the most important factors that helped create "canterbury" and a lot of what became known as "progressive". It really just tells you, that our problem is that we got stuck on a sound ... not the artistry of it all. And that is a total shame, and is soooooooooo commercialistically real, than it is about anything else. We really should wake up to that. There are people that have not spoken about that time. Kevin Ayers needs to, but stories are that he was/is too frunk to care. Julie Christie appears not interested in talking about these things at all, and she would have some salacious stories. There is at least one other lady that knows a lot about this house and has not said anything either. Marianne Faithful, and lastly, the one person that could say a lot more, since her artistic point was to break down all processes, and in the end, she is not capable of talking about any of it, because she became the center of the universe for one man, and died with him. She would know a lot about many of these and various other artists she was near to ... to be able to get to where she got! But ... she knows nothing because she is only dedicated to John! ... the time and palce be damned because all they did is give her heartaches and pains, that she lives with everyday. A couple of other folks were around there as well, and Mr. Shampoo would also know about this, as would his sister, but they are into that Hollywood thing called "fame" and that means that you don't discuss anything except how great you are!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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akaBona
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Posted: October 19 2012 at 03:54 |
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Sorry, this episode is not currently available
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Snow Dog
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Posted: October 19 2012 at 04:01 |
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Do you do this sort of thing on purpose? You surely cannot be this dull? This is a radio programme. How do you have "visuals"? And as for the BBC hiding something...is this a joke? It's these glib comments amongst your posts that infuriate me so much. Time for a lie down old chap.Pip pip!
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moshkito
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Posted: October 22 2012 at 15:30 |
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I know it's radio ... visuals are not allowed! ... but they can be a lot more detail oriented and be clearer about who they are talking to ... or where the questions are coming from. Except the Goons ... they were so visual that they had their visuals stolen by Richard Lester and Monty Python later! The BBC did not pay enough to help the Goons make a film! The hiding part, is a joke that goes back to The Goons ... so that's about 60 years old now, and I do not expect you to get that. But reading what I say with a smile, would help. I guess you could call that some kind of humor ... but the BBC is the greatest single ripper (as in Jack!) there ever has been. They have a virtual history of music, comedy and many other things that they will not release ... and it would be nice if they could go back 40 some years and start with the Beatles Christmas Shows (7 of them) that will give you a much better understanding and appreciation of who the 4 Beatles were ... and films like Let It Be, would make much more sense, then ... instead of sounding like bitter apples and bitter everything else. I appreciate what they are giving us ... but you do know that they have stolen a lot of money and spirit from many people out there ... don't you? Like you, I'm a rock music fan, and I do not want my fellow artists ripped off and having their well being stolen from them. And I don't care if his name is blue or colored balls (another story) or John Snagg! But this might be tough for you, to get ... again, I was born in a fascist country and dad was a well known writer of movie reviews, poetry and such, that were "subversive" and we're talking Fellini, Antonioni, Renoir, Truffaut, Ford, Kazan and many others ... but if you do not see the parallel in a conceptual way ... this whole thing gets lost! A student of my dad did a PHD on the film reviews and what was censored in Portugal, Spain and Italy ... just to give you an idea! Sometimes, I can't help feeling that in some ways ... I'm also being censored by a populist ideal -- that is just that ... an ideal! As I say a lot ... there is more out there SD ... a lot more ... and I can not expalin it all in 3 letters or words, specially when given the fact that some folks won't read more than 10 words or letters ... which is sad ... you love for 10 seconds, not all day, or your whole life! Somewhere along the way, you have to put those in perspective! And you fight for it, because it is YOU ... it's all you have! I put all of myself into what I write, as honestly and open as ever ... I do not hide comments, and neither do I try to be slick and clever ... because that is not my style or me ... my joking is too literary and "intelectual" for it to be enjoyed and laughed with in a place like this ... as much as I would love to share it all anyway. And this music, and this board ... are very important to me, on a level that you have to take past your "favorites" ... and you already know that ... and what you are hearing ... is a person speaking ... not an idea. Always remember that about Pedro.
Edited by moshkito - October 22 2012 at 15:53 |
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npjnpj
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Posted: October 23 2012 at 07:02 |
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Pardon? (baffled)
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hellogoodbye
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Just recieved this email from Tom Hayes an wanted to share with you.
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