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Slartibartfast
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Topic: Why The '80's Didn't Suck: Kate Bush Posted: May 13 2011 at 23:02 |
These four albums forever mark my life.
Edited by Slartibartfast - May 13 2011 at 23:22
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Finnforest
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Posted: May 13 2011 at 23:17 |
The Kick Inside. But of your poll, The Dreaming. IMO those are her two masterpieces. Not Hounds.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 13 2011 at 23:21 |
The Kick was 1978 not bad as the prog giants were starting to wind down.
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Atavachron
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Posted: May 13 2011 at 23:23 |
Brian check your inbox
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 13 2011 at 23:29 |
Atavachron wrote:
Brian check your inbox
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My inbox was displaying 0 I had two when I pulled it up. Should report it probably but it's a Friday evening and I don't give a damn. Cranking up Get Out Of My House, so glad to be out of that damned apartment. After Get Out, I'm Running.
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Vompatti
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Posted: May 14 2011 at 01:35 |
The Dreaming.
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richardh
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Posted: May 14 2011 at 02:03 |
Hounds Of Love. I particularly like the split format of having more accessible music on one side and a suite of tracks on the other. But being Kate ,the accessible stuff is a long way removed from the brain dead drivel that would normally be played on the radio. Running Up That Hill is one of the most atmospheric 'pop' tracks ever recorded while Cloudbusting is one the best songs she ever wrote imo. No bad tracks anywhere to be found. The Dreaming Much more experimental album that made Kate the female equivalent of Peter Gabriel. Very enigmatic stuff and some stunning songs especially Infant Kiss. Never Forever Hopefully this doesn't get NIL votes. Some great songs and wonderfully produced. Sensual World My least favourite of the choices available.Seems very unremarkable compared to earlier releases. Not a bad album but KB was in danger of slipping into mediocrity. Unthinkable.
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moe_blunts
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Posted: June 12 2011 at 16:59 |
I voted Never For Ever because it is my current favorite Bush album. Infant Kiss is particularly...well, disturbing. Great stuff.
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Posted: June 12 2011 at 17:02 |
I just want to take time to agree with that title. Oh and The Dreaming, the best album of the 80s.
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chopper
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Posted: June 13 2011 at 06:39 |
richardh wrote:
Hounds Of Love.
I particularly like the split format of having more accessible music on one side and a suite of tracks on the other. But being Kate ,the accessible stuff is a long way removed from the brain dead drivel that would normally be played on the radio. Running Up That Hill is one of the most atmospheric 'pop' tracks ever recorded while Cloudbusting is one the best songs she ever wrote imo. No bad tracks anywhere to be found.
The Dreaming
Much more experimental album that made Kate the female equivalent of Peter Gabriel. Very enigmatic stuff and some stunning songs especially Infant Kiss.
Never Forever
Hopefully this doesn't get NIL votes. Some great songs and wonderfully produced.
Sensual World
My least favourite of the choices available.Seems very unremarkable compared to earlier releases. Not a bad album but KB was in danger of slipping into mediocrity. Unthinkable.
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I agree (except for Infant Kiss whic I think is on Never Forever). Hounds of Love is the best by a fair distance.
I think "Seems very unremarkable compared to earlier releases" just about sums up Sensual World. A great album (containing my favourite Kate song This Woman's Work") suffers from comparison to it's predecessors.
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Warthur
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Posted: June 13 2011 at 10:09 |
Hounds of Love is absolutely wonderful, it's proof positive that you don't have to sacrifice accessibility, atmosphere and emotion to get experimental at the same time.
Cloudbusting is particularly special to me. It was played at a funeral during a particularly hard time in my life (the death of the person concerned being only one of several catastrophic events) and, incongruously, it felt like this sort of brief island of calm in the middle of all this horrendous stuff. It's kind of been a sanctuary for me ever since.
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richardh
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Posted: June 13 2011 at 10:19 |
chopper wrote:
richardh wrote:
Hounds Of Love.
I particularly like the split format of having more accessible music on one side and a suite of tracks on the other. But being Kate ,the accessible stuff is a long way removed from the brain dead drivel that would normally be played on the radio. Running Up That Hill is one of the most atmospheric 'pop' tracks ever recorded while Cloudbusting is one the best songs she ever wrote imo. No bad tracks anywhere to be found.
The Dreaming
Much more experimental album that made Kate the female equivalent of Peter Gabriel. Very enigmatic stuff and some stunning songs especially Infant Kiss.
Never Forever
Hopefully this doesn't get NIL votes. Some great songs and wonderfully produced.
Sensual World
My least favourite of the choices available.Seems very unremarkable compared to earlier releases. Not a bad album but KB was in danger of slipping into mediocrity. Unthinkable.
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I agree (except for Infant Kiss whic I think is on Never Forever). Hounds of Love is the best by a fair distance.
I think "Seems very unremarkable compared to earlier releases" just about sums up Sensual World. A great album (containing my favourite Kate song This Woman's Work") suffers from comparison to it's predecessors. |
Infant Kiss is indeed on Never Forever although it really should have been on The Dreaming The song I was thinking of was All The Love which is gorgeous. I listened to Sensual World recently and enjoyed it a great deal. Perhaps I was a little harsh to call it 'unremarkable' although it is not quite as good as its predeccessors there is no shame in that.
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richardh
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Posted: June 13 2011 at 10:21 |
moe_blunts wrote:
I voted Never For Ever because it is my current favorite Bush album. Infant Kiss is particularly...well, disturbing. Great stuff.
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pleased to see it get a vote
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Posted: June 14 2011 at 00:16 |
richardh wrote:
moe_blunts wrote:
I voted Never For Ever because it is my current favorite Bush album. Infant Kiss is particularly...well, disturbing. Great stuff.
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pleased to see it get a vote |
Never For Ever is in my top 3 Bush favourite albums, so had to vote.
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Harold-The-Barrel
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Posted: June 15 2011 at 13:03 |
Hounds followed by never for ever
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Sean Trane
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 02:39 |
Well my preferred KB albums are from the 70's.... Sooooo the 80's did suck after all !!!
All kidding aside, even if there is the odd good album that was released in that dreaded decade, they are usually the exception that confirms the rule....
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 09:21 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Well my preferred KB albums are from the 70's.... Sooooo the 80's did suck after all !!!
All kidding aside, even if there is the odd good album that was released in that dreaded decade, they are usually the exception that confirms the rule.... |
Odd good album? Nightfly, The Dreaming/Hounds of Love, Synchronicity/Ghosts in a Machine, Moving Pictures/Signals, Fire of Unknown origin, Discipline, Remain in Light, Gaucho, Metal Fatigue...there's no shortage of good albums from the 80s. Yes, it was no match for the 70s (so what!) but I really doubt the conventional wisdom of the 90s being so much better than the 80s these days. Yeah, if you really hate the guts out of all accessible music, then maybe. 80s production values were awful but the albums weren't necessarily so. EDIT: On topic, I love the first three of these chronologically almost equally for different reasons but got to give it to Dreaming for just how mad it is. An incredible and bold metamorphosis of a talented artist.
Edited by rogerthat - June 16 2011 at 10:13
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Chris S
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 11:46 |
Hounds of Love is such a powerful work, yet individual albums appeal at different times. Sensual World is incredible too. As usual with such excellent music, none has dated although kick inside is my least favorite :-)
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 12:00 |
Chris S wrote:
Hounds of Love is such a powerful work, yet individual albums appeal at different times. |
That is exactly right. Her albums appeal for different reasons and yet it's possible to like a good many of her albums too. In spite of Hounds of Love's commercial success, I'd have to say she's somewhat underrated. She has amazing control working within essentially pop form, paints varied and highly evocative textures and writes unusual chord progressions that are still effective and expressive enough to have immediate appeal. And rarer still is she seems to be able to pull a different ace to bank on in different albums, whereas composers typically identify their strengths early on and tap them to the hilt. If the first two albums seem to draw more on the conventional focal points of melody and harmony, Hounds of Love relies more on texture and rhythm and I can't say she is less effective as a composer in either approach.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 16:47 |
rogerthat wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Well my preferred KB albums are from the 70's.... Sooooo the 80's did suck after all !!!
All kidding aside, even if there is the odd good album that was released in that dreaded decade, they are usually the exception that confirms the rule.... |
Odd good album? Nightfly, The Dreaming/Hounds of Love, Synchronicity/Ghosts in a Machine, Moving Pictures/Signals, Fire of Unknown origin, Discipline, Remain in Light, Gaucho, Metal Fatigue...there's no shortage of good albums from the 80s. Yes, it was no match for the 70s (so what!) but I really doubt the conventional wisdom of the 90s being so much better than the 80s these days. Yeah, if you really hate the guts out of all accessible music, then maybe. 80s production values were awful but the albums weren't necessarily so.
EDIT: On topic, I love the first three of these chronologically almost equally for different reasons but got to give it to Dreaming for just how mad it is. An incredible and bold metamorphosis of a talented artist.
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Soooorry, but....
from your list, not one of these albums would find its place in my top 200 of the 70's if they had been released in 78 or 79 (prog or not)...
Maybe Script and Brother, and Love Over Gold woud scratch the 200 level... UZed certainly gets in though.
And although you're right that the 90's aren't all that great, I can list quite a bit of albums (certainly more than the 80's) that would find space in my 300.
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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