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Textbook
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Topic: Faux Prog Fans Posted: August 08 2010 at 21:53 |
Let's not name any names but I notice a distinct division on the site between people who are actual fans of progressive music (those who seek new, original sounds without regard for what elements are used to create them) and "faux" progressive fans who seek the intellectual cache of prog but actually run a mile from anything unfamiliar. Yes and Genesis are good bands and I like both of them but it must be said that for whatever reason a change/time resistant cult seems to have formed chiefly around them, the members of which only enjoy new prog if it sounds like Yes or Genesis. This to me is absolutely the opposite of prog as it is stagnant.
I accuse those who would not listen to or try music that is receiving acclaim because they "don't like that sort of thing" to be a lilly-livered rascal. I really like Johnny Cash but never would've tried him if I'd stuck to my "I don't like country music" thing. A true prog fan will try ANYTHING. ANYTHING AT ALL. They don't have to like it, but they'll get it and hear it all the way through before deciding.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 21:57 |
word.
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Anthony H.
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 22:06 |
I agree. But some people turn this on its head and start disliking any band that's not entirely avant-garde/exerpimental. This is just as irritating.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 22:15 |
I dislike the idea that musical opinions are motivated by ideology more than taste.
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Textbook
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 22:16 |
What I'm saying is pro-taste. I'm not saying like things because they're different, that's a misinterpretation. I'm simply saying try anything, especially if you consider yourself interested in the progressive scene. You'll note I gave an establishment example (Johnny Cash) to illustrate how wrong you can be about preconceptions.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 22:16 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
I dislike the idea that musical opinions are motivated by ideology more than taste. |
It's very true on sites such as this, though Case in point: Walter
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 22:17 |
Say "NO!" to new music and say "YES!" to pre-89 heroes.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 22:17 |
Speak of the devil.
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 22:18 |
I may not agree with your views, Walter, but it sure is fun to see how much some people care about your taste more than theirs.
Edited by SaltyJon - August 08 2010 at 22:19
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 22:19 |
SaltyJon wrote:
I may not agree with your views, Walter, but it sure is fun to see how much some people care about your taste more than theirs.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 22:25 |
Textbook wrote:
What I'm saying is pro-taste. I'm not saying like things because they're different, that's a misinterpretation. I'm simply saying try anything, especially if you consider yourself interested in the progressive scene. You'll note I gave an establishment example (Johnny Cash) to illustrate how wrong you can be about preconceptions. |
And I'm saying people generally do try things. I'll agree that the average person is resistant to novelty and change, especially as they age, and I find that frustrating, but that's because of their taste. People aren't listening to Spock's Beard and Mostly Autumn because they've never heard The Mars Volta. You thought you didn't like country until you heard Johnny Cash, but you didn't hate country up until that point because of a philosophical opposition to the idea of country, and if you're the kind of person who would like Johnny Cash you would have heard him eventually anyway.
Triceratopsoil wrote:
It's very true on sites such as this, though
Case in point: Walter
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Edited by Henry Plainview - August 08 2010 at 22:28
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Tarquin Underspoon
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 22:27 |
Sure. I mean, I look at my most recent purchases, notice that they're a Strapping Young Lad record and a Glenn Miller record, and smile smugly to myself.
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Proletariat
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 22:27 |
walter is silly but... thats what he likes... and why the hell shouldnt he?
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twosteves
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 22:29 |
Textbook wrote:
Let's not name any names but I notice a distinct division on the site between people who are actual fans of progressive music (those who seek new, original sounds without regard for what elements are used to create them) and "faux" progressive fans who seek the intellectual cache of prog but actually run a mile from anything unfamiliar. Yes and Genesis are good bands and I like both of them but it must be said that for whatever reason a change/time resistant cult seems to have formed chiefly around them, the members of which only enjoy new prog if it sounds like Yes or Genesis. This to me is absolutely the opposite of prog as it is stagnant.
I accuse those who would not listen to or try music that is receiving acclaim because they "don't like that sort of thing" to be a lilly-livered rascal. I really like Johnny Cash but never would've tried him if I'd stuck to my "I don't like country music" thing. A true prog fan will try ANYTHING. ANYTHING AT ALL. They don't have to like it, but they'll get it and hear it all the way through before deciding.
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True. I'm the biggest classic Yes and Genesis fanatic--but I don't really care for more current groups that try too hard to copy them. Young 18 year olds that I know who like classic Yes and Genesis are looking to keep prog alive and give it a future and it may not sound like what we are used to hearing.
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 22:31 |
I hope you're not saying that someone has to like the Mars Volta or the Flower Kings in order to be considered "open minded."
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Textbook
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 22:46 |
They don't have to like both but they have to try both.
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Proletariat
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 22:50 |
Textbook wrote:
They don't have to like both but they have to try both. |
this costs money. buying what you know is a sounder investment. that being sayed i like to go out on limbs and try things... but i dont feel like everyone who likes prog should be required to
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 22:51 |
Proletariat wrote:
Textbook wrote:
They don't have to like both but they have to try both. |
this costs money. buying what you know is a sounder investment. that being sayed i like to go out on limbs and try things... but i dont feel like everyone who likes prog should be required to |
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Textbook
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 23:06 |
I said try, not buy.
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thellama73
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Posted: August 08 2010 at 23:09 |
Then I agree with you that trying new things is good. If you don't happen to like modern music (as I generally don't with a very few exceptions) I don't think that means your tastes are not progressive or that you have a closed mind, so as long as you are not saying that, then I agree with your original post.
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