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Negoba 
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 Topic: Do You Believe in Aliens?
Posted: December 02 2009 at 12:28 |
So we're talking in the Evolution / Creationism thread about how life and the Universe came to be.
If you follow the "natural" idea of how life came about, it is virtually impossible that the process of life occurring has happened only once. This is atheist Carl Sagan's assertion, not mine.
So, what ya got?
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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jampa17
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 12:54 |
I told you I'm not sure yet... so I won't vote yet but I leave you my thoughts...
I use to believe that there are many planets with the "coincidental" phenomena that occur in Earth, so, there are many chances that there are life in those... but if it is right, then they are just like us and don't have reach to us as well as we have not doing the same...
In the other hand, I reject the so called "aliens" help to do things like the Pyramids and all that... it really dragging down the mankind capacities of building wonderful dreams and the worst nightmare... I believe we are capable of everything we have made... our thoughts and ideas are unmatchable as mankind and the art of course...
as a Catholic, I used to believe that mankind is the center and focus of existence, but I've seen that most Catholic formal points of view in this century agreed that Aliens can exists... that there's nothing wrong about it so... right now I'm confuse and have hungry... jajaja...
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 12:57 |
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I voted Who knows maybe.
Interesting use of the word natural to describe a phenomenon where its corollary would be
unprecedented ?.
What is certain however, is that if they are 'out there', they are probably a damn sight less out there than we earthlings. My bet is that they are bacterial size organisms who can only be killed by prolonged exposure to deadly sound waves e.g. Tangerine Dream, Country Music, Yodelling etc
(Hence their reticence to visit our planet)
The Rare Earth hypothesis posited by Ward/Brownlee appears to contradict Sagan but I have to say the jury is out on this issue in the Lemming burrow. The latter tome makes repeated references to the Fermi Paradox as some sort of triumphal 'gotcha' but just because we cannot locate the evidence of extraterrestrials is not conclusive proof that they don't exist (We may be looking for the wrong things in the wrong places)
Time to wax the saucer car.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 13:00 |
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I see them everyday on the way to work and back. They hang out in and if you drive in a pickup they'll swamp you looking to do day labor.
Oh, wrong kind of alien.
I used to be less skeptical that I am these days. Consider me basically agnostic on the issue.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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SaltyJon
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 13:00 |
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My view is "Yes, but I'm not sure whether or not they've visited earth." So I'm not sure whether to vote for the Probably or the Yes and have been here option.
Edited by SaltyJon - December 02 2009 at 13:00
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 13:02 |
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Nodody knows. Why shouldn't there be aliens? I think that there might very well be some. I also think it's extremely improbable though that we'll ever see any.
Edited by Mr ProgFreak - December 02 2009 at 14:45
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Negoba
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 13:13 |
Well I get to vote to and I voted "yes probably but not visited here"
I actually bet there are many many out there, many younger and some older in advancement.
Of course the experiment in advancement that is human intelligence has yet to prove whether it's a dead end, i.e., inevitably outgrows its own blood supply. If so, I would suspect there are other now extinct civilizations out there.
That speed of light thing though is a tough nut to crack.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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The T
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 13:17 |
I think they exist. It's impossible that in a universe wherein we are but a grain of dust (if that), we're the only ones with living sentient beings...
But I don't believe they have ever come here, and probably never will. Maybe it's we who are the most advanced species (oh no!...) so it's even more difficult that one day we'll live our solar system let alone our galaxy....
of course, when I hear some kinds of music we have here in PA, I'm ready to believe quite the opposite...
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The Pessimist
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 14:12 |
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Maybe. The universe is a very big place, and I find it highly unlikely that a tiny little planet like ours is the ONLY one that can hospitalise lif, however I doubt we'll ever come in contact with them, and it is highly unlikely that they will be able to survive in our conditions. It's the same reason none of us can go and live on Neptune or something.
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The T
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 14:44 |
 The Pessimist wrote:
It's the same reason none of us can go and live on Neptune or something.
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it seems you have never heard Sean Hannity talk... 
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JLocke
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 14:54 |
You probably already saw my opinion on the matter in the other thread, Jay.  Guess what I voted?
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Negoba
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 15:06 |
It is certainly plausible that within several hundreds of years methods of surviving on Europa or Mars COULD occur.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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UndercoverBoy
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 15:10 |
Option 3: They probably exist, but have never been here.
I'm almost certain that there is life outside of Earth, and probably Intelligent Life too. However, I highly doubt that any of them have advanced enough technology in order to visit Earth.
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Vompatti
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 15:25 |
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I'm fairly certain that they created the Earth.
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jampa17
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 15:57 |
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Fact... most of the older cultures believe in flying objects than comes from the sky... it's strange that the Mayas and the middle east cultures has this notions... but it could be a wish more than a fact... I'm still confused about it...
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Citizen Erased
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 16:04 |
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Aww. I'm the only "they don't exist" voter.
I'm normally quite open minded but I just tend to feel...meh, i dunno, cynical about it.
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And lo, the mighty riffage was played and it was good
<a href="www.last.fm/user/jonzo67" targe
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TheCaptain
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 16:07 |
Negoba wrote:
It is certainly plausible that within several hundreds of years methods of surviving on Europa or Mars COULD occur. |
ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA. ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE.
Sorry. Had to be said as soon as Europa was brought up. Anyway, I'm sure there are plenty of other forms of "life" out there although we will probably have to change our biological definition of life to include them. I also doubt they have visited Earth, or at least interacted with it in any way. EDIT: And the reason I believe this is that the universe is a pretty big place. There is nothing remarkable about our sun or our galaxy. Given the billions of other stars out there like our sun, the fact that RNA has been observed forming out of the nucleotides and the primordial goo thought to be around in the early stages of Earth, and that a lot of time has passed since when we believe the universe was created I think it would be ridiculous to think at least one other extra-terrestrial life form has not existed at some time.
Edited by TheCaptain - December 02 2009 at 16:12
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Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal.
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stonebeard
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 17:35 |
It's incredibly probable life exists somehwere other than here.
It's much less probable that life is intelligent.
It's much much less probable that life can visit here.
No, aliens have not been here.
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JLocke
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 18:05 |
Citizen Erased wrote:
Aww. I'm the only "they don't exist" voter.
I'm normally quite open minded but I just tend to feel...meh, i dunno, cynical about it.
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After debating with you in the other thread and finding out exactly the type of stuff you believe in, I found this post to be hysterically funny.  Sorry . . . had to . . .
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Negoba
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 18:17 |
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I'm curious why people doubt that life elsewhere is intelligent. Wouldn't at least one logical argument state that half of planets with life would be less developed and half more developed?
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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