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    Posted: May 09 2005 at 22:39
I just bought Shostakovich's Leningrad Symphony, and loved it!  Any suggestions as to what other Shostakovich Symphonies I should buy?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2005 at 20:05
No repiles?  Are there no other people on this fourm who listen to Prog rock because of a foremost intrest in classical music?  Or is everyone on this site a Dream Theater fan who likes them because they're loud and fast, but has no idea just how complex and intricate the music is? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2005 at 20:33
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2005 at 03:46

Originally posted by Syntharachnid Syntharachnid wrote:

I just bought Shostakovich's Leningrad Symphony, and loved it!  Any suggestions as to what other Shostakovich Symphonies I should buy?

Good thing you discovered Shostakovich's symphonies. Be careful, they are extremely addictive... If you already own the 7th (my second choice) then I would suggest them in the following order:

8th - his best. Enough said.

11th - OK, don't get this if you like prog but hate prog metal...

5th - really touching: apparently a happy symphony (Stalin forced him to write such a symphony), but pay attention to what is under the surface...

4th - sad even at the surface...

Then: 10th, 6th, 12th... 13th to 15th are more difficult (but still great), 1st to 3rd are rather immature symphonies.

And finally, 9th: don't get this unless you are ready to listen to a completely different thing: it was supposed to be a hughe symphony to celebrate the victory at the end of WW2, but Shostakovich decided to write instead an extremely simple and irrelevant music... I guess Stalin was really crossed!

OK, happy trip!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2005 at 03:56

As for his other work,I can heartily recommend the following:

1. Piano Concerto No 2.

The andante is one of the most sublimely beautiful moments in history.

2. Concerto For Cello In E Flat

One of his most powerful and beguiling compositions.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2005 at 22:05
Originally posted by nacho nacho wrote:

11th - OK, don't get this if you like prog but hate prog metal...

Just to clear something up before it gets out of hand, I don't hate prog metal, I just think that it is misused, for lack of a better word.  It should be analyzed and scrutinized to find out what's really going on.  Some people, however, just listen to it because it is loud and heavy.  (That's what Metallica is for.)  These people then go on to say that they dislike the very bands that inspired the prog metal bands, (ie. Rush, ELP) without which they wouldn't exist.

BTW, thanks for the Stostakovich help!  Much appreciated! 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2005 at 22:06
P.S:  I hate Stalin.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 14:38
Originally posted by Syntharachnid Syntharachnid wrote:

Originally posted by nacho nacho wrote:

11th - OK, don't get this if you like prog but hate prog metal...

Just to clear something up before it gets out of hand, I don't hate prog metal, I just think that it is misused, for lack of a better word.  It should be analyzed and scrutinized to find out what's really going on.  Some people, however, just listen to it because it is loud and heavy.  (That's what Metallica is for.)  These people then go on to say that they dislike the very bands that inspired the prog metal bands, (ie. Rush, ELP) without which they wouldn't exist.

BTW, thanks for the Stostakovich help!  Much appreciated! 

If this is what you want to do to music, then listen to Anthony Braxton, Gyorgi Ligeti or Conlon Nancarrow. I think they're a lot more complex then Shostakovich. Plenty of notes to analyse and scrutinise, and plenty of beauty to overlook while concentrating on the analysis and scrutiny (not unlike with some other genres and art in general...)  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 16:03
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

If this is what you want to do to music, then listen to Anthony Braxton, Gyorgi Ligeti or Conlon Nancarrow. I think they're a lot more complex then Shostakovich. Plenty of notes to analyse and scrutinise, and plenty of beauty to overlook while concentrating on the analysis and scrutiny (not unlike with some other genres and art in general...)  

Don't get the wrong idea!  I like to know what the musicians are doing, but I don't get too mathematical!  Music exsits to express emotions too complex to express in words.  Movies and books don't have as much of an emotional effect on me as music (except for Lord of the Rings!), and whenever I want to express an emotion, I turn on my digital piano.  I cry when I listen to Chopin (or Close to the Edge, for that matter), and I laugh when I hear Sabre Dance by Khatchaturian (I don't know why, but it has that effect on many people).  It's just that I'm facinated by the way the emotional side of music connects with the theoretical side.

I agree with your views on art, BTW, and I have plenty of opinions like this myself.  Oh, and I will check out those composers! 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 16:10
Originally posted by Syntharachnid Syntharachnid wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

If this is what you want to do to music, then listen to Anthony Braxton, Gyorgi Ligeti or Conlon Nancarrow. I think they're a lot more complex then Shostakovich. Plenty of notes to analyse and scrutinise, and plenty of beauty to overlook while concentrating on the analysis and scrutiny (not unlike with some other genres and art in general...)  

Don't get the wrong idea!  I like to know what the musicians are doing, but I don't get too mathematical!  Music exsits to express emotions too complex to express in words.  Movies and books don't have as much of an emotional effect on me as music (except for Lord of the Rings!), and whenever I want to express an emotion, I turn on my digital piano.  I cry when I listen to Chopin (or Close to the Edge, for that matter), and I laugh when I hear Sabre Dance by Khatchaturian (I don't know why, but it has that effect on many people).  It's just that I'm facinated by the way the emotional side of music connects with the theoretical side.

I agree with your views on art, BTW, and I have plenty of opinions like this myself.  Oh, and I will check out those composers! 

Please do. They can be very heavy going, but as I've managed to prove to myself time and time again, they're all the more rewarding for that. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2005 at 16:48
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

As for his other work,I can heartily recommend the following:

1. Piano Concerto No 2.

The andante is one of the most sublimely beautiful moments in history.

2. Concerto For Cello In E Flat

One of his most powerful and beguiling compositions.

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Excellent Columbia Records CD with 3 separate historic recordings of Piano Concerto 1 and 2 and the first Cello Concerto all involving Leonard Bernstein  (pianist or conductor, with Rostapovich as celloist), I can strongly recommend. Andrew Lyoyd Weber on his Desert Island Discs selection for BBC Radio 4, selected the first movement of the Cello Concerto as one of the 8, saying "it is the first rock concerto". Not often agreeing with ALW, here i sa rare occasion I do!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2005 at 16:12

Here's that very recording:

From my own collection.Big smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 07:38
If you really want to delve deeply in that well of emotion that is Shostakovich, give his string quartets a try. Naxos has cheap and great versions on 6 CD's.
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