Is Master Of Puppets the greatest thrash album??? |
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J-Man
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Topic: Is Master Of Puppets the greatest thrash album??? Posted: February 18 2009 at 15:38 |
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A little while back I posted a thread entitled "Is Master of Puppets the greatest metal album ever".
I got a lot of responses comparing it to Black Sabbath, and prog metal like DT. Since that wasn't the original intent of the thread, I decided to make it more clear. So this time it's just up the exact same genre, not a huge type of music. As far as the greatest thrash album for me, either this or AJFA. Your thoughts? |
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: February 18 2009 at 18:13 | |
This is repeating...
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martinprog77
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 01:09 | |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 01:44 | |
^The picture above is also my answer.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 01:49 | |
I must say, not before or since Rust In Peace's release, not a single thrash album I've heard could top it, and nothing ever will.
It was aggressive, technical (for it's time), it was even melodic at points to give the album more balance, the song writing is perfect. Hell, at times it bordered on prog metal territory, and despite not being progressive metal per se, I can hear many prog metal bands that are clearly influenced by Rust In Peace. It influenced death metal bands, technical metal bands, future thrash bands and simply changed the face of extreme metal forever. I still listen to Rust In Peace at least once a week and have done so since I first heard it in 2005. Simply one of the most intense emotional experiences I can get, is listening to that album. |
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Proggy Pogo
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 07:19 | |
I prefer Ride The Lightning, and I think I'd give AJFA the edge over Master ... just.
Other non-Metallica contenders would be Slayer's Hell Awaits & Reign In Blood.
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Roj
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 08:20 | |
Good call!! For me, this has to be the ultimate thrash album.
I would say that Metallica's best pure thrash album has to be Kill Em All. Whilst the following three albums were thrashy in parts, I think there was a bit more to them than just thrash.
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spookytooth
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 11:26 | |
Agree 100%. Metallica can't touch Holy Wars or Hangar 18... |
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 11:28 | |
interesting that the Metallica spin-off band is garnishing more praise here...
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 12:51 | |
That's because on their first four albums Megadeth were musically more complex than Metallica ever were.
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Logan
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 13:02 | |
I'm no expert, but I might have thought that the best is Exodus' Bonded by Blood.
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Lev
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 13:12 | |
The early works from Vio-Lence, Exodus, Megadeth, Testament and even Metallica themselves are all better than Master Of Puppets.
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J-Man
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Posted: February 20 2009 at 15:47 | |
Slayer is strictly just thrash, and I somewhat agree that all Metallica isn't. Megadeth is another big contender here, but they're not strictly thrash either. Metallica obviously has other influences, such as prog, but Master of Puppets is still widely considered a thrash metal album with a progressive side. Not something else with a thrash metal side. |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: February 20 2009 at 19:28 | |
I agree with ya, both RTL and AJFA have the edge over MoP. I haven't heard hell awaits in a while, your post reminded me to listen to it again soon. |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: February 20 2009 at 19:54 | |
Ever since Rust In Peace came out, so many people think that it was better than anything Metallica ever did. That's been 19 years then. We've had 19 (if not even more considering the people that liked SFSGSW and PSBWB better than Metallica's works) years of the 'interesting' aspect of people preferring Megadeth to have already gone by, so yeah, it's hardly a suprise or 'interesting' anymore. |
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CPicard
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 12:34 | |
If talking about thrash-metal, we have more or less AT LEAST 10 records which could be seen as the "greatest thrash-metal album".
Enter Megadeth's "Peace Sells...", Slayer's "Reign In Blood", Coroner's "RIP", Voivod's "Killing Technology"... |
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Negoba
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 12:50 | |
It depends what counts as thrash. In terms of heavy, must bang my head, records, I'd put Garage Days Re-revisited up for consideration.
And though Holy Wars is up there with the best metal songs ever, I like Peace Sells as an album better. Wake Up Dead and Peace Sells are both among there in my top 10 thrash songs.
Hangar 18???? GMAFB, not only is it about the government hiding aliens, it recycles the same riff Mustaine used in writing Call of Kluthtutu which was itself a rip off of Kashmir.
How many here had Megadeth's first album "Killing is my Business?" In terms of raw speed metal, that one was fun. "Mechanix" which was the song "Four Horsemen" with Mustaine's original cheese lyrics, is a great listen, as they play it much faster than Metallica.
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Raff
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 15:43 | |
Hear, hear! I love both those songs, and I love that album, even if it is a tad short. I'd also add "Devil's Island" to my favourite tracks from it. |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 19:08 | |
I really don't see the connection between Call of Ktulu and Kashmir to be honest, each to their own. Sure enough, Hangar uses parts of what he wrote for Call of Ktulu but there's no denying the song takes a totally different twist once it leaves the section in D minor. I always thought of the first two songs off Rust In Peace, lyrically anyway, to be something to that was meant to be taken light heartedly and humorously. Well, no, not the Holy Wars part of the first track, but the Punishment Due section is just about a Marvel comic book character anyway Yeah, heard their first album plenty of times. You can tell the band spent too much of the money that would have went to production on drugs instead |
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Negoba
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 19:40 | |
Kashmir also does the chromatic rise under the D chord. It probably wasn't the first, but the most famous. Holy Wars.......need head banger smiley. That last riff before Mustaine's solo.....yesssssss.
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