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Poll Question: Do you consider Steely Dan as a prog band ?
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    Posted: August 26 2008 at 01:11
I have never thought of Steely Dan as prog , great musicians Yes prog No .. if you think they are prog would you be so kind as to perhaps tell me why you think that maybe it may refresh the way I`m listening to them to help me understand whats progressive about them. 

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You know, I'd never thought them prog either, and I'm notorious for running an eclectic musical church, so I'm keen to see what people have to say.
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Not remotely......................But, what can we do?
 
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have a listen to this cut micky posted in the SD appreciation thread, listen to those synth solos and sophisticated arrangements, and judge for yourself if it isn't as prog as prog as, say, Argent, Supertramp, or a cut like 'Lucky Man'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiRIE2irAgc







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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

have a listen to this cut micky posted in the SD appreciation thread, listen to those synth solos and sophisticated arrangements, and judge for yourself if it isn't as prog as prog as, say, Argent, Supertramp, or a cut like 'Lucky Man'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiRIE2irAgc





 
David, i haven't posted a word before the inclusion of Steely Dan, but my opinion is that their music is not remotely Prog, I'm a fan of Steely Dan thanks to HT who introduced me to their music, but don't se a hint of Prog as don't see a hint of Prog in Stevie Wonder despite he's a pioneer of Mellotron..
 
I won't object or say anything about their addition, I understand they are here and until this moment I kept my mouth shut, as a fact I've been very busy this week with a very important trial that is absorbing a lot of my time (Apparently the other part bought the judge and I can't take the risk to get this particular judge as enemy, so I have to be very careful and trust the Supreme Court), so I haven't really worried for Steely Dan.
 
But if an opinion is asked, as always I will give mine.
 
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of course Ivan, you have nothing but my respect and friendship
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Sorry David if I sounded harsh, but this issue with the judge is driving me nuts.
 
Knowing something like this is happening (I have a declaration but it's not enough prove) and having to tell my client to do nothing is really hard.
 
Thanks God there's a Superior and Supreme Court with judges who are very honest and will see the case in some months
 
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yes the human factor, always a bitch! LOL     BTW, my post was not directed at you, but at anyone interested












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yes as related band or musician is ok, because David Bowie and others are here why not him. I saw that in past few month more and more non prog or related bands and musicins are added. I think  must concentrate more on real progressive bands, not only related or something near to prog. Are so many prog bands that wait to be added, and by my surprise those bands maybe never will be here because of diffrent opinions of the collaborators.
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we DO concentrate on prog bands, that's just about ALL we do ..then a band that had a bit of radio success and dared to write art rock that was understated, even delicate, is added and we have war for two weeks...  welcome to Arkham Asylum
 
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

we DO concentrate on prog bands, that's just about ALL we do ..then a band that had a bit of radio success and dared to write art rock that was understated, even delicate, is added and we have war for two weeks...  welcome to Arkham Asylum
 
 
 Yes i know  you concentrate on prog bands, but try harder, dig deeper for older and newer bands, that's why is called PROGRESSIVE ARCHIVES. I 'd tryied many times to tell you about some bands, that in other prog sites are seen as treasures, but here nobody even heared of them, not to mention to be added. Don't get me wrong, i love PA and i'm every day here, looking and reading, searching for something to listen, but sometimes you miss the point of the word ARCHIVES.
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you receive a weekly feed each monday.. check the 'new artists added' part for the last month or so .. that's the best I can offer
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I'm not for a moment suggesting Steely Dan shouldn't be here. Quite the opposite: if knowledgeable people have included it, I'm quite keen to explore further. I've had 'Aja' since not long after it came out, but it never enticed me to continue my journey into this band. I have to admit I'd filed it under 'soft rock' and let it accumulate dust. I've brushed it off since SD have been added here and listened to it again. I've revised my opinion: sophisticated soft rock.

But you know what? I've found that by reading enthusiastic reviews of albums I've come to enjoy and appreciate them more. So keep writing those 'Aja' reviews and let's see what happens ... I'm determined never to miss a good musical experience because I'm prejudging the music.
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I always thought they were in their own way. However, the addition of SD will eventually open the gateway for bands like Chicago (Chicago Transit Authority days i mean) and early Gino Vanelli to be added also. Such things would have been frowned at not so long ago.
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I had to vote no, although I love the SD albums.
But in my mind they are difinitively Prog-related.
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Points: 7028 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2008 at 05:11
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

we DO concentrate on prog bands, that's just about ALL we do ..then a band that had a bit of radio success and dared to write art rock that was understated, even delicate, is added and we have war for two weeks...  welcome to Arkham Asylum
 
 
You can say that again!....some very valid comments above  both for and against.
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Points: 24295 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2008 at 05:49
I don't think that Steely Dan is real prog, so I vote "nope". On the other hand, I don't think it's not absolutely non-prog either, so IMHO one may call it "Prog Related", "Crossover Prog", "Second Label-Prog" or whatsoever...
 
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many proggy traits, esp. in their attitude to their craft. not prog though. great nonetheless.
progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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Points: 32524 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2008 at 07:43
I can't think of one song that would qualify them to be here.
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And one more thing- how is it that Aja is "Essential: A Masterpiece of Progressive Music?"
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