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Dim 
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 Topic: Is Foxtrot... Boring?
Posted: May 20 2007 at 12:54 |
DONT JUDGE!
Okay, before you want to rip my head off READ THIS!
When I first got the album I was very excited to listen to suppers ready. I was impressed with the synth intro to "watcher", but when the song picked up I found it to be extremely boring with nothing standing out or impressing me! It was all the same riff/ note again and again til' the end. I believe we will all agree that Time table is at least one of the weakest songs that Gabriel made with Genesis. Now get'em out by friday is an absolute abomination to all things Genesis!!! I cant even listen to it without nashing my teeth with disgust, too much organ, no guitar, Gabriels voice sounds terrible, and besides that nothing is going on in the song, it disgusts me!
Now besides those the rest of the songs are quite exceptional, I've grown very fond of "can utility" and hacketts horizons is very pretty (although I'm sure he's just trying to keep up with Howe) and who will deny that suppers ready is the magnum opus of all genesis songs.
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 12:56 |
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Its not synths...its Mellotron, but otherwise I mostly agree with you...kinda.
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 12:57 |
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It's less immediate than SEBTP, but it is, in my opinion, more rewarding and more consistent (with the exception of Supper's Ready, which I'm not terribly fond of)
Horizons really is just an instrumental intro to Supper's Ready, but it succeeds wonderfully in that regard
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 13:03 |
 Atomic_Rooster wrote:
Horizons really is just an instrumental intro to Supper's Ready, but it succeeds wonderfully in that regard
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Well....really it isn't. It's an entirely seperate piece with no connection to Supper's Ready.
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Atomic_Rooster
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 13:06 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Atomic_Rooster wrote:
Horizons really is just an instrumental intro to Supper's Ready, but it succeeds wonderfully in that regard
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Well....really it isn't. It's an entirely seperate piece with no connection to Supper's Ready. |
in the context of the album it is though, otherwise there would really be no point in placing it so conveniently. (or they may have just not put it in the album altogether, because it is a bit anticlimactic after the previous songs)
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 13:07 |
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Horizons really works as an intro to Supper's Ready, but wasn't it on the A-side of the album?
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 13:09 |
Vompatti wrote:
Horizons really works as an intro to Supper's Ready, but wasn't it on the A-side of the album?
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actually, i think it was, which shows its use as a palate cleanser, rather than an intro, but the same still applies I think.
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 13:10 |
Atomic_Rooster wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Atomic_Rooster wrote:
Horizons really is just an instrumental intro to Supper's Ready, but it succeeds wonderfully in that regard
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Well....really it isn't. It's an entirely seperate piece with no connection to Supper's Ready. |
in the context of the album it is though, otherwise there would really be no point in placing it so conveniently. (or they may have just not put it in the album altogether, because it is a bit anticlimactic after the previous songs)
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In the context of the.......what? I don't get it. I'm sure Hackett didn't write it though because the lads "need an introduction to Supper, Steve, so we do, to be sure".
That was an Irish Tony O'Banks. 
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 13:10 |
Atomic_Rooster wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
Horizons really works as an intro to Supper's Ready, but wasn't it on the A-side of the album? |
actually, i think it was, which shows its use as a palate cleanser, rather than an intro, but the same still applies I think.
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No it was definitely side 2.
Palate cleanser? My aren't we pretentious!
Moi?
Edited by Snow Dog - May 20 2007 at 13:13
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 13:11 |
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I prefer Foxtrot over Selling England by the Pound. By a large margin aswell. My favourite is Nursery Cryme, however.
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 13:20 |
Yuo have to be in the mood for it. Other Genesis albums are a lot better at being, well, exciting.
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 13:29 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Atomic_Rooster wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Atomic_Rooster wrote:
Horizons really is just an instrumental intro to Supper's Ready, but it succeeds wonderfully in that regard
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Well....really it isn't. It's an entirely seperate piece with no connection to Supper's Ready. |
in the context of the album it is though, otherwise there would really be no point in placing it so conveniently. (or they may have just not put it in the album altogether, because it is a bit anticlimactic after the previous songs)
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In the context of the.......what? I don't get it. I'm sure Hackett didn't write it though because the lads "need an introduction to Supper, Steve, so we do, to be sure".
That was an Irish Tony O'Banks. |
I'm not saying they got steve to write it for the sake of an intro, but it was lying around and they thought, hey this song works as a transitional piece between the previous songs and our gigantic epic that otherwise would appear extremely abrupt and out of proportion with the rest of the album (ok so they probably didn't think that exactly, but you get the point right?) Truthfully though, the song Horizons just isn't that great on its own, its alright for a neo-romantic guitar etude, but Kleyans, Brauer, and others were much better at the same time for that type of music, so its use as a transitional piece into Supper's Ready is really what makes it stand out
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 13:37 |
The intro to Watcher is the best part of the song, I'll grant you that, but Foxtrot, boring as a whole? No not for me. Genesis have never made a boring album..
A few crap ones, maybe.. 
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 14:03 |
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 14:05 |
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hellz no, my say!
I like the album more and more with each listen, and that is already an impossible coming thing, since I found the album unbearably exquisite, integrally, from the first listen.
Foxtrot is, for me, the best Genesis album.
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 14:17 |
I'll never get why people tend to question their own opinions in thread form if it's contrary to the majority...  just like what you like and dislike what you dislike, it's how things work *IMO
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 14:21 |
Atomic_Rooster wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Atomic_Rooster wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Atomic_Rooster wrote:
Horizons really is just an instrumental intro to Supper's Ready, but it succeeds wonderfully in that regard
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Well....really it isn't. It's an entirely seperate piece with no connection to Supper's Ready. |
in the context of the album it is though, otherwise there would really be no point in placing it so conveniently. (or they may have just not put it in the album altogether, because it is a bit anticlimactic after the previous songs)
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In the context of the.......what? I don't get it. I'm sure Hackett didn't write it though because the lads "need an introduction to Supper, Steve, so we do, to be sure".
That was an Irish Tony O'Banks. |
I'm not saying they got steve to write it for the sake of an intro, but it was lying around and they thought, hey this song works as a transitional piece between the previous songs and our gigantic epic that otherwise would appear extremely abrupt and out of proportion with the rest of the album (ok so they probably didn't think that exactly, but you get the point right?)
Truthfully though, the song Horizons just isn't that great on its own, its alright for a neo-romantic guitar etude, but Kleyans, Brauer, and others were much better at the same time for that type of music, so its use as a transitional piece into Supper's Ready is really what makes it stand out
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Of course Horizons is great on its own. It is, to this day, one of Hacketts most popular acoustic pieces.
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 14:25 |
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Well, I agree that Watcher of the Skies is unnecessarily long, but I think Get 'em Out by Friday is the best piece on the disc. :\
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 14:39 |
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I think its position in our Top 100 albums answers your question for most of our members.
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Dim
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Posted: May 20 2007 at 14:41 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Atomic_Rooster wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Atomic_Rooster wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Atomic_Rooster wrote:
Horizons really is just an instrumental intro to Supper's Ready, but it succeeds wonderfully in that regard
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Well....really it isn't. It's an entirely seperate piece with no connection to Supper's Ready. |
in the context of the album it is though, otherwise there would really be no point in placing it so conveniently. (or they may have just not put it in the album altogether, because it is a bit anticlimactic after the previous songs)
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In the context of the.......what? I don't get it. I'm sure Hackett didn't write it though because the lads "need an introduction to Supper, Steve, so we do, to be sure".
That was an Irish Tony O'Banks. |
I'm not saying they got steve to write it for the sake of an intro, but it was lying around and they thought, hey this song works as a transitional piece between the previous songs and our gigantic epic that otherwise would appear extremely abrupt and out of proportion with the rest of the album (ok so they probably didn't think that exactly, but you get the point right?)
Truthfully though, the song Horizons just isn't that great on its own, its alright for a neo-romantic guitar etude, but Kleyans, Brauer, and others were much better at the same time for that type of music, so its use as a transitional piece into Supper's Ready is really what makes it stand out
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Of course Horizons is great on its own. It is, to this day, one of Hacketts most popular acoustic pieces. |
Shut up! Mr. Hackett is just trying to keep up with mr. Howe for guitar versitility
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